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ST162-7254182 "Dirty Deeds" Edited

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by ST165-2765, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    :toetap05

    Your just not looking hard enough :banghead

    I try to replace 10 & 12 mm nuts & bolts with stainless steel. Now with the tranny
    since I don't have to remove those bolts I'll just remove the rust and paint them.
    Theirs probably about $20 worth of 12mm stainless steel bolts on it. 14mm and bigger
    I don't convert because your looking at $1-2 a bolt or more and I can't get them
    without special order and then I have to buy a whole box and those bolts never rust
    and break when you try to remove them so at best they'll just get their heads painted.

    10mm timing belt cover bolts
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    10mm oil pan bolts
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    10mm water inlet & heater bypass pipe nuts
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    10mm valve cover bolts
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    12mm heater bypass pipe bolt
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    And I don't have to polish them because they come that way
     
  2. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Now that the tranny is cleaned I'll document all the markings on it.
    3-1 & 12
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    This one may be an E but it more likely an F
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    This one perhaps a 19 or 10
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    A couple more markings on the top
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    I don't know what happened in its previous life to get it so mangled but the number looks like
    705065
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    and this one TVO
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    I'll plug one of my favorite auto parts stores, I needed a plug to block of a coolant
    line that used to go to the turbo so I got these rubber caps and 3 sizes of fuel line
    clamps
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    That green cap I got at another store and does no more than block of the end so it doesn't
    fill with dirt
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    This is the other store I got the green cap from and its where I get my stainless steel
    nuts and bolts. Today I got a bonus big nut & bolt and a couple of washers to play with.
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    Polishing takes alot of speed and a drill is way to slow but will do an adequate job with time
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    So I got some more wheels
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    And converted on of my grinders over to a polisher, their are places online that sell a proper
    adapter and I always meant to get on but that would probably cost me $40 with shipping so
    since the place I get my stainless steel from claims Home of the "World Famous Wall of Fasteners"
    I thought I'd see if I could find the pieces I'd need So for $2.85 + $1.17 + $0.27 + $0.27 = $4.56
    I can now run buffing wheels on my grinder.
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    I gathered up the remaining parts that I need to re paint, below you can see the spark plug
    cover that is painted the new color
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    A picture of the intake before I start to polish it with the grinder, its pretty good now but
    I can still see alot of tiny scratches
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    And some newly painted parts
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  3. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Man I wish I had your tools & shop!

    My boxes/heads all look like crap and I'm still trying to find something here that looks like
    it can clean aluminium without burning it.
    In NZ degreaser = acid or caustic :aargh

    That pipe with the green plug I was just going to remove completely.

    For the pipe to the turbo/radiator I was going to install a "catch can (type)?" and have an extra
    water reservoir between the radiator & head. On some cars they call it an "expansion bottle"
    and I guess it would relieve some pressure as well as increase water capacity.

    The 7050xx number on top is the sn#, the rest I think are casting numbers. I compared mine to
    a S54 and the no's were different even though the parts were interchangable.

    Is this the box you drilled for the FE starter?
    Would love to know a) the 5th gear ratio, b) the colour of the speedo drive gear

    If you put the box in 4th and turn it, it will give a close indication of the diff ratio
     
  4. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I wish my shop was at least twice as big.....one is never happy

    In my garage degreaser = gasoline or diesel or furnace oil whichever is handy

    I have green plugs on each end just in case I find a purpose for it.

    In North America All Tracs were re called and fitted with an extra presurized tank. I am
    going to use my aluminum All Trac radiator so another option for me is to run a hose
    from the pipe back to the extra inlet on the All Trac radiator, but I don't really see any
    benefit to that.
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    I don't think the stamped numbers are casting numbers they could easily be incoporated into
    the casting and it would cost nothing.
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    Instead they have had to pay someone to manually stamp these numbers. Normally that would
    happen to indicate something specific that went into that case. I would imagine that they indicate
    what gears went into the case which is why I documented them all cause I know my other tranny
    turns around 3500rpm at the same speed this one turns around 3100rpm so one of these days I'm
    going to see what numbers were on that tranny
    The only marking I can find on the 3500rpm tranny is a 12 which is the same as the 3100rpm tranny
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    Yes and no, it is the box that will accept an FE/All Trac starter I did nothing to it when I got
    the car it was like that. I'm thinking it may be a JDM tranny as I know the engine that came
    in it was a replacement.

    Aproximate ratios given it is a limited slip and I was counting the revolution of a half shaft
    that had some resistance
    5th 3.15:1
    4th 3.8:1
    3ed 4.9:1
    2nd 7.6:1
    1st 12.2:1
    rev 12:1

    I dont know what color the speedo drive gear is but if I turn the half shaft 1 turn the speedo
    gear turns about 1.1 turns.

    I got the inside of the bell housing cleaned up, it was pretty oily and after sandblasting it
    had acumulated a nice pile of dust and dirt
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    Its amazing how fast rust can happen, this part was sand blasted less than a week ago
    and sat on top of the rear spoiler of Dirty Deeds after that, never rained once since sand
    blasting but their was still enough moisture in the air to produce new rust
    In the background you can see part of the oil cooler, it has been re polished with the grinder
    and blue polishing compound
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  5. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    The stamps could just be operator/station/qc marks?
    The moulded marks on the head are Date/type/casting no's

    Sounds like this is a 3.9 diff with a 0.8 5th gear, if it is JDM then it must be a Gen2 or 3
    My gen 2 JDM uses the same ratios, diff, starter etc
    What makes you think it's LSD? I think only BEAMS may have had LSD but no confirmation.

    I think your shorter box is a 3.9 diff with 0.7 5th gear, only way to be sure is compare the teeth

    Yeah, looks like the GT4 did get an expansion tank to relieve the radiator pressures,
    I want mine to feed into one of the lower pipes, ie the lower radiator hose
    sothat more water is available should a H/G or radiator leak.
     
  6. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Wishfull thinking, I just meant differential but was trying to stress that all my numbers
    may be high depending on how much the halfshaft sliped during its revolution due to
    resistance.

    Todays topic is starter motors. 3 easilly repairable things can go wrong with them.
    You can burn out the motor or the solenoid or you can burn out the contacts. In this
    picture I've removed the motor and the back cover of the solenoid. Inside you can
    see a plunger (round thing) and 2 copper tabs. 1 copper tab is connected to the battery
    the other copper tab is connected to the starter motor. When you send power to the starter
    it does 2 things the solenoid depresses pushing the starter gear out to engage the flywheel
    and the plunger also completes the circuit and allows power to flow from the battery to the
    starter.
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    Here I've removed the plunger and 1 of the copper tabs, you can see where the 2 surfaces
    have been in contact and become pitted from the arching that happens when the 2 pieces
    of copper make contact.
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    I was just going to paint the motors steel cover and polish the aluminum cap but their
    was hardy any rust on the motor cover so I just sanded off the paint and then polished
    it to
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  7. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well just for you a nasty old starter bolt and some sandpaper
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    easiest way to do this is with a drill
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    top bolt has been polished bottom bolt has been sanded to 600 grit
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    not perfect but I'm not spending a whole lot of time on it
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    I even got the backing plate for the solenoid to shine a bit and it was pretty nasty before
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  8. Pants

    Pants Guest

    Aw man, now I want to start polishing stuff!
     
  9. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    you should polish a complete 3s-ge + tranny and keep it in storage, present to toyota 20 years from now...
     
  10. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    great work with polishing lets hope it stay's that way
     
  11. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Your gearbox appears to be a Gen2 JDM and has the same ratios

    I checked my Gen1 GE gearbox as well, ratios are much shorter and
    it has the following marks -
    sn - 71021086
    Starter hole - 14
    LHS seal holder - 13
    Outer cover - 5-2
    It doesn't have any of those other numbers
     
  12. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    All the polished parts are getting clear coated so if they oxidize again then its
    time for paint
     
  13. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    If I have my 4th gens on the road 20 years from now I think Toyota should give me an engine & tranny
     
  14. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    Did you ever dreamed about being locked in a huge Toyota storage with your car, and you could search and swap any new parts you wanted? :)
     
  15. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    yes they should.....also me too cuz my baby will still be running in 20 years..... on the original motor too.
     
  16. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I allready have my own "Toyota storage" with parts you can't even get from Toyota anymore :drool5

    I dont know whats happening here I went to clear coat this piece and the stuff came out of the can like this.
    A couple of days ago I went to clear coat the oil cooler and the same thing happened so I cleaned the crap
    of and I bought a new can and did the starter solenoid cover but the same thing again. Two new cans of clear
    coat both not going on clear. My old can of clear coat went on so clear its almost impossible to tell what you
    need to spray. I'm going to leave this stuff on because I'm hoping that they have added something to the clear
    coat that will disapear as it dries, but it would be nice if they would mention that on the can. I'm also going to
    get a different product just in case.
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    Luckilly it does clear up as it dries, to the right I got a can of VHT clear, the left hand can is the
    old can that went on clear
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    To make sure I'm getting the same product I check the bar codes, so it is the same product
    but something has definetely changed inside the can
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    I used the VHT for the oil cooler, same deal it goes on quite milky looking
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    Here I've used my new grinder setup and polished the left half of the intake, theirs not much of a difference
    but it does clear up the "cloudiness" or "haze"
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    And now totally finished polishing and ready for clear coat
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    And now with the clear coat
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  17. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    "with ceramic" only different thing on the label...does that change anything?
     
  18. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I don't know what effect the ceramics had, I have heard before that you can get a ceramic coating for headers
    that will act like insulation to keep the heat inside the headers but in this case I don't know what purpose the
    ceramics had. The newer cans now claim that its an acrylic polymer
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    One thing I need for this head is an EGR blockoff plate so I grabed a piece of 1 1/4 x 1/4 bar stock and the gasket
    for the EGR pipe a couple of files a grinder and a drill with a sanding disk.
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    and I got some more parts sandblasted and painted and some bolt heads polished
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    and even more bolts
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    and a couple of nuts
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  19. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Gathering up all the parts I need to re assemble the engine
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    I made a little stand to support the engine, this is a much better solution than just
    laying the engine down
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    The stand will allow the engine to sit level instead of slanted towards the exhaust side. The
    measurements I used was 6" high and 9 1/4" between the 2 vertical supports since the oil pan
    is 9 1/4" wide. So I used a 18" long 2x4 and 2 @ 4 1/2" to make the stand. Now I've got the clutch
    re installed
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    and finally the tranny re attached
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  20. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Cool, did the oil cooler clear up?
    I've always had good results with dupli colour - finish wise

    I'd like to take the stand idea one step further and support the
    motor/box on a low trolley which I can wheel under the car
    and then just lift it up
     

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