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ST162-7254182 "Dirty Deeds" Edited

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by ST165-2765, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    you can get the glass at any improvement store or auto place, but you need to look for the right kind...which i have no idea which is better.
     
  2. Thaifighter

    Thaifighter Well-Known Member

    Figured out who I got you mixed up with.
    I got you mixed up with rye because you both have black '162's and are in Canada. Stumbled on his thread a few moments ago.
     
  3. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well by the time you get to 50 years old you acquire a few goodies to play with.
    Back in my day it was a large box of Mechano

    For the resin probably your best bet is Home Depot
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    You can also get fiberglass cloth and fiberglass mat at HD. I like to get my mat/cloth on ebay I can
    normally find better deals there.
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    I also like ebay because they have more variety than just cloth or mat. You can also get a combination
    of cloth and mat combined into 1 product
     
  4. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well you can never get your hands on to many boobs :hehe
     
  5. Jamezzy

    Jamezzy Well-Known Member Donated!

    Interesting. I want some fiberglass now! I have a feeling it's something like modeling clay, but a bit more complex. After all, you're molding something into how you want it. I do have knack for that :fingersx
     
  6. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well I wouldn't exactly compare it to modelling clay. You could definetly use modelling clay to make
    a negative mold of the part you want but the fiberglass itself has no ability to hold its shape until
    the resin hardens it needs a mold of some sort.

    Body filler would be much closer to modelling clay.

    If you go back to pages 10 & 11 you can see how I made the visor
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    One of these days I'll post how I did the side window louvers.
     
  7. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    To late for that engine.....well not really its more like its just not worth it to put the effort/money
    into that engine. Unfortunately my garage is only so big and I just keep stuffing more stuff into it.
    Currently I have
    -Dirty Deeds old head & block & tranny
    -another spare GTS tranny
    -a ST185 tranny
    -a RAV 4 tranny
    -a ST165 head & block
    stored in the garage in addition to all my tools and now a furnace that I have to
    make room for, and thats just the large stuff that takes up floor space.

    So the ST165 head and block was my All Tracs original engine which was burning
    a fair bit of oil so I had the engine replaced and now that I've seen how much play
    their is in the turbo I'd have to guess thats where the oil was leaking but the Toyota
    dealership that worked on the car thought it may be the rings of 1 piston all had their
    openings lined up and oil was getting past there. I was skeptical about that idea but
    a spare engine wasn't going to hurt so I have a spare 165 engine with no real plan of
    ever putting it back into the All Trac so logic would tell me that I should convert it to
    a naturally aspirated engine and put it into Dirty Deeds. Their is a chance that its no
    better than the engine thats in now but if I'm going to end up re building an engine I'd
    rater use a 3sgte block as it provides better cooling than a 3sge block and their pretty
    notorious for cooking cylinder # 3.

    Dirty Deeds next engine
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    Advantage #1 for a 3sgte block is built in oil cooling
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    Advantage #2 for a 3sgte block is aditional coolant flow through the block(red arrow) yellow arrow looks like an
    aditional temp sensor
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    Advantage #3 for a 3sgte is oil spayers for the pistons
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    heres another picture of an oil sprayer on the right I've highlighted the tube in red, it sprays
    oil on the under side of the piston
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    I'm going to use the GTS harness and ECU so I need to change the All Trac injectors for
    GTS injectors and I'll put 162 intake and exhaust manifolds on, a 162 oil pan and probably
    a 162 water inlet as it has the fan switch but I don't really need that as I run the fans
    constant.

    I do believe that if I put a GTS head on the All Trac block I would probably get a bit better
    performance but for now I'm just going with the engine as it came. What difference would
    GTS cams in the All Trac head make. I do believe that the All Trac engine runs lower compression
    than a GTS engine is that true? If it is lower compression then is a GTS ECU & injectors going
    to make it run rich ?

    Any other advantages/disadvantages to a gen 1 3sgte block/head ?
     
  8. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    One problem I'm going to have in converting a 3sgte to NA is oil and coolant lines that go to the
    turbo charger. Coolant lines are easy enough to block off but I have this one oil line that needs
    to be blocked. Initially I was just going to make a block of plate but that would still leave the
    unused pipe sticking out quite a bit.
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    A closer view of the oil coolers bolts
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    Luckilly a friend of mine thats a machinest showed up so i conned him into making me a custom
    stainless steel tube
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    While I have easy access to the engine I'm going to note the various numbers I need to know
    in order to replace crank & connecting rod bearings. For the connecting rods the manual says
    the number you need is stamped on the side of the bearing cap but I do believe the number
    needed is actually cast into the bearing cap. Connecting rod bearings come in 3 sizes 1,2,3
    In my case the caps are sized 1,3,2,1 so I need 2x1 sized bearings 1x2 sized bearing & 1X3
    sized bearing
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    For crankshaft bearings you need 2 sets of numbers 1 set of numbers is stamped on the crankshaft
    itself
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    the second set of numbers is stamped on the block
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    the locations of the 2 sets of numbers
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    Crankshaft bearings are a bit more complicated and come in sizes 1,2,3,4,5
    In my case the crankshaft is marked 10000
    and the block is marked 22232

    12345 <----Bearing #
    10000 <----Crankshaft #
    22232 <----Block #
    32232 <----Crankshaft + Block #'s (add the 2 numbers together)

    Bearing # 1 is size 3
    Bearing # 2 is size 2
    Bearing # 3 is size 2
    Bearing # 4 is size 3
    Bearing # 5 is size 2

    Connecting rod bearing info
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    Crankshaft bearing info
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  9. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    that is pretty awesome
     
  10. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Interestingly the intake side of the GTE head is pretty clean and lacking oil buildup.
    So it was just the exhaust side of the valve cover that was leaking. There is some
    oil buildup on the intake side but it was in the area of the distributor so that was
    the likely culprit there.
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    GTE injectors top GE injectors bottom
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    for some strange reason the standoffs for the fuel rail are slightly different. They both
    have the same overall height but the GTE standoffs incoporate a plastic ring
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    3SGE flywheel 29.4 cm wide
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    3SFE flywheel from a 1998 RAV4 30.4 cm wide
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    The manual shows a 3SGE flywheel as having 8 bolts and a Celica 3SFE flywheel only has 6 bolts
    I can't use a GTS starter because even though I don't have the turbo I still have the oil cooler
    and that will be in the way so I'm going to have to use a GT or All Trac starter and that means
    I'm going to need a bigger flywheel so hopefully the RAV4 one is correct. It will be dam close I
    know that but until I get a tranny bolted up I won't know for sure.
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    I finally got the last head bolt out of Dirty Deeds old engine so now I have a spare GTS head
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    Oh Oh.....................
    Its never a good sign when the crank has gotten so hot its burned all the oil of it
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    Well at least I get every last mile out of my engines
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    Block looks great to bad I have absolutely no use for it
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    Crankshaft isn't so great, connecting rod #3's bearing is the one that failed
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    Bits
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    Connecting rod #3's bearing
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  11. LegacyofDan

    LegacyofDan Active Member

    j/w instead of blocking off the oil, why don't you have it circulate to the oil pan?...that way on the cold days you can have you oil rise to operating temperature faster, and remain consistent, provided your coolant temps remain consistent.
     
  12. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I am not totally blocking off the flow of oil from the cooler. The top hole of the oil cooler
    sends oil to 2 places, the tube coming of the hole sends oil to the turbo and since the
    bolt is hollow it also sends oil back into the block to aid in delivery of oil to the pistons
    oil sprayers.
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    I have just removed the tube that supplies oil to the turbo. The oil cooler will still deliver
    oil back to the block and the oil sprayers
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  13. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    this is why i love your thread. lots and tons of pictures! takes a while to load, but helps the reader a lot :thumbsup:
     
  14. LegacyofDan

    LegacyofDan Active Member

    ahhh! duh! my bad; i am sorry! You sir are correct! I apologize for my half witted comment, i was not thinking entirely when i wrote it my bad. :eek:ops

    nice build; keep up the good work...(back to lurking)
     
  15. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I decided that the best thing to do before swaping in the 3sgte block was to take
    a look at the bearings and see how bad they are. So I grabed some plastigage and
    checked out the crankshaft & connecting rod bearings
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    Plastigage is just a strip of plastic that is a precise diameter
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    the paper caseing contains a scale so you can read the size, it has metric on the other side
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    Some other things you'll need, as a minimum clean engine oil and preferably something
    called assembly lube
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    Assembly lube is pretty thick not quite grease but it ain't running down 2 quickly
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    a torque wrench for tightening the nuts and bolts and hopefully some other wrench for
    loosening nuts and bolts as your torque wrench is a precise instrument and should only
    be used for torqueing nuts and bolts
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    to do the job properly and get accurate torque readings you really need to clean all the threads
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    start by removing the bearing cap and bottom half of the bearing and wipe off excess oil
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    cut a piece of plastigage and lay it across the journal
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    put the bottom half of the bearing and the cap back on and torque down to specification
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    remove the cap & the bottom half of the bearing and you'll be left with a squished piece of
    plastigage
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    grab the handy little measuring scale and you can read the clearance
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    Clean off all the plastigage from the bearing and journal surfaces. You need to be careful not to
    scratch either surface I use the fingernail pictured above but a plastic bondo aplicator or old
    credit card may also work
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    while I have the oil pan off I can also check the thrust washers
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    the manual says you can use the main bearing cap bolts as levers to pry the caps of once
    they have been loosened but I would advise that you use something other than the bolts
    unless you are going to replace the bolts
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    and now for the moment of truth

    3sgte Connecting Rods clearance
    standard
    0.024-0.055mm
    0.0009-0.0022inches
    maximum 0.008mm or 0.0031inches

    Rod #1 0.0015inches
    Rod #2 0.0015inches
    Rod #3 0.0015inches
    Rod #4 0.0015inches

    So their all happily right in the middle of the standard clearance allowed.
    When I take my readings I try to take the max, all the 0.0015 readings I
    took are probably somewhere between 0.0013 & 0.0015 but I'm not going
    to waste alot of time getting exact numbers. If the plastigage had of been
    up around the 0.002 mark I would have paid more attention

    I am surprised #3 rod bearing isn't showing more signs of wear but perhaps
    thats the benefit of extra coolant flow and piston oil sprayers.

    3sgte Crankshaft clearance
    standard
    #3
    0.028-0.047mm
    0.0011-0.0019inches
    Others
    0.018-0.037mm
    0.0007-0.0015inches
    maximum 0.008mm or 0.0031inches

    #1 0.0015
    #2 0.001
    #3 0.0015
    #4 0.0015
    #5 0.0015

    So bearings 1,4,5 are at their maximum for an acceptable standard size limit.
    Before total failure I can go all the way up to 0.0031inches but I'd rather replace
    all 5 bearings now
     
  16. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    The first thing I have to do tonight is clean up a bit so I can move the engine
    closer to the tv.
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    Now I can check the clearance on the camshaft bearings.....well theres not really
    much you can do here if you have excessive wear but at least I'll know what I have.
    The 3sge/3sgte heads don't really use bearings since its an aluminum head the head
    itself has been machined to the correct size and the same with the bearing caps their
    made out of aluminum and machined to the correct size to act as a bearing. So if your
    cam bearings are out of spec you will have to send the head out to a machine shop
    so they can machine it to take bearings.
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    I have to take the timing gears off because I want to use the 3sge valve covers but I marked
    the timing belt before I loosened the timing gear bolts
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    So I rotated the crankshaft back to line up the marks
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    Useing 3sge valve covers mean I need to replace the 3sgte timing gear backing plate with one
    from a 3sge
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    3sgte Camshaft bearing clearance
    standard
    0.025-0.062mm
    0.001-0.0024inches
    maximum 0.008mm or 0.0031inches

    Intake
    #1 0.020
    #2 0.019
    #3 0.020
    #4 0.0175
    #5 0.020

    Exhaust
    #1 0.0175
    #2 0.020
    #3 0.019
    #4 0.0175
    #5 0.0175
     
  17. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    watching the canucks game i see :D
     
  18. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    hey dave, the aditional sensor is the knock sensor
     
  19. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Great thanks for the info, as far as I know the GTS doesn't have one and I'm going to be useing the GTS ECU.

    As far as I know you can't find aftermarket 3sge oil pans so the closest I can get is an aftermarket 5sfe oil pan
    it will bolt up but it is lacking most of the baffle
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    So I'm going to sand blast one of my old GTS pans so I made a backing plate
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    I also blasted a couple other parts, at the right you can see the difference between a GTS
    and an All Trac timing gear backing plate
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    and painted
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    in preparation for sand blasting the engine I have made up a few covers for various openings
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    If your a real mechanic its easy to make patterns for different things, all you need is dirty hands
    and a piece of paper. Put the piece of paper over the part you want to make a pattern of and run
    your dirty fingers along all the edges
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    If you want you can use a pen or pencil to enhance the lines and in some cases modify the pattern
    to make it stronger
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    I'll put the spare 5sfe oil pan on while I sand blast
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    In order to clean the block I just use toothbrushes. I have tried lots of specialty brushes but
    none of them work as well or last as long as toothbrushes. The only things I used to clean the
    block were the 2 toothbrushes and an old screwdriver for scraping crap out of corners. You can
    use a heat gun to soften the handle so you can bend it into different shapes
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    If you don't have a parts washing tank an oil change pan works well to hold solvent or gasoline
    and you have a handy spout for pouring stuff out and the solvent will also clean out the pan
    [​IMG]
     
  20. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    OMG 37 celcius 45 with the humidity for you farenheit people thats 98.6 & 113
    and I've got to wear a hood and bake under the tarp in the sun. This is a nasty
    filthy worse than hell job
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    but I got it done, probably could have spent a bit more time.....but for this job I
    would have to disagree with AC DC when they say "Hell Ain't A Bad Place To Be"
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    Couldn't find Chrysler hemi orange so I went with Chevy orange, looks pretty much
    the same to me, I guess my time in hell was worth it
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    The aluminum parts, head, oil pump cover and water pump housing I am just going to
    clear coat and the oil pan has already been painted an aluminum color
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