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ST162-7254182 "Dirty Deeds" Edited

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by ST165-2765, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    FE flywheel will work (check bolt pattern) - only pre 1990/1 had 6 bolts, rest are 8 bolts
    I used a GTE flywheel (lighter) + press plate + GE clutch

    "I do believe that if I put a GTS head on the All Trac block I would probably get a bit better
    performance but for now I'm just going with the engine as it came. What difference would
    GTS cams in the All Trac head make. I do believe that the All Trac engine runs lower compression
    than a GTS engine is that true? If it is lower compression then is a GTS ECU & injectors going
    to make it run rich ?

    Any other advantages/disadvantages to a gen 1 3sgte block/head ?"


    GTE pistons are lower compression, not the head
    GTE head is re-designed for more torque (check the difference in the inlet porting)
    You will need to swap cams for GE items and re-shim the head

    I found that with the GTE head, GE cams, 12-1 compression, gen2 headers it runs lean and went to 306cc injectors (non - EGR)
    You would probably need 340cc with the EGR fitted?
    With GTE pistons and cams I suspect you may indeed run rich (as well as lose a bunch of power)

    The injector rail mounts are 2 types - early and late. Early motors are solid, all others (GE/GTE) have
    the plastic absorbers I guess to eliminate vibration in the fuel rail.

    Knock sensor - the gen2 also has it fitted but for N/A you don't need it and it's heavy

    Fan - You have the GTE radiator already?, just run the fan from the rad switch
    or use a GE thermostat cap.
    The GTE radiator has the extra water pipe you will need for the water rail.
    Why do you keep the fan on?

    Very lucky with the bearings, hard to find cranks in that condition.
    No more gen1 cranks for me though, don't like the bolts and hard to get custom flywheels
    (std flywheels for that matter!)

    Cam caps are re-sized (cut down) and the head is line-bored back to the correct size (28mm),
    you cannot fit bearings to these cams without having them custom made

    That 5S oil pan is designed for the motor with a balencer underneath, not good for the 3S-GE
    under RH corners. Can't you weld up the hole on the GTE pan?

    Check my new motor thread for more info, I used the gen2 block instead but will be using
    my GTE block for my next motor just as you are, but with a gen2 crank + 10lb flywheel.
     
  2. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hey thanks for all that good info stig. I don't have any polution tests here so I don't use EGR EVAP CAT

    That 5s oil pan was just put on for sand blasting I have a 3sge oil pan to put back on

    I was afraid I would loose power with the All Trac head & pistons but for now thats what I'm going with
    I do have several sets of GE pistons and a couple of spare GE heads so that may become this winters
    project. If I loose to much power I'll just take the turbo out of my All Trac. Then I'll probably be running
    a bit lean especially with GTS injectors and ECU.

    Todays fun includes more sand blasting so I took some washers and covered them in duct tape to help
    seal them so I could block off the openings on the oil cooler pipe
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    more cleaned bits top left is the oil pipe & washers
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    and now I have clear coated the aluminum head and other bits
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  3. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Swap the GE cams over, IMO the GTE head is an upgrade,
    compression on carboned GTE pistons should be over 9-1 anyway
    (I think why so many GTE's are blowing pistons with added boost)
    At least you should be able to run 91 octane and save some cash

    Why you keep the fan on?

    Any chance your friend has any more of those blocking tubes? I was looking for a shorter bolt
    but no luck yet

    GTS injectors and C26 won't go, will melt pistons asap once it revs

    The problem with #3 running hot is to do with the GTE manifold, GE manifold is OK
    I think the bearing goes as a result of the piston overheating, causing detonation and wrecking the bearing

    Wish I had your shop & blaster etc

    ps. you blasted the wrong starter/box plate
    pps. Don't forget to strip & clean the oil relief valve & check for play on the pump shaft
     
  4. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks again for more great info. For now I'm just going to stick with the GTE cams
    since I could swap them later without removing the engine and then I'd have a good
    idea of how much difference there is performance wise.

    I run the fan constant because the wiring in this car is pathetic, one of the previous
    owners has hacked and butchered the wiring to the extent that alot of stuff doesn't
    work so until I replace the bad harnesses I would rather run critical things constantly.

    I will ask my friend to make another one of those tubes, shouldn't be a problem

    You want this disaster area ????? I wish some of you did live closer so you could use it
    [​IMG]

    All my backing plates have the starter hole so I'll just have to add a round cover, I do have a Camry
    5sfe with auto tranny so that might have had the correct backing plate but it's not worth the effort
    of separateing the 2 to find out.

    The oil pump shaft has no play and I'll check and clean the relief valve
     
  5. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    You have a floor and ceiling mounted filing system :smilielol5

    At least you know where everything is, mine's all in boxes locked away in storage atm.

    I know I have stuff but finding it is a huge challenge.

    The auto cover will work, the block has the same dowels. holes etc
     
  6. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well at least the floor is taken care off.
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    :lol2
    Well er um yeah :banghead
    You mean like this
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    I probably don't know where 90% of my parts are.
     
  7. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Winter isn't nice to polished aluminum, especially aluminum that has allready had some previous corrosion.
    Car was never driven in the winter or salty conditions. This is all just from moisture in the air that has
    condensed on the metal while it was stored outside for the winter. If it had of been stored indoors in a
    heated area it would have been ok.
    [​IMG]

    So I'm going to try to seal the polished metal with a clear coat. I know in the old days the clearcoat
    would yellow with age but now they seem to have better clear coats so I'm going to do a quick polish
    on the fuel rail and then clear coat it
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    A while later I've given it a good enough polish to test the clear coat
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    The product I'm going to try is Dupli-Color Engine Enamel with Ceramics 260 Celcius 500 Farenheit
    [​IMG]

    So overall not to bad its a little bumpy like orange peel but almost all paint goes on bumpy. I
    could probably get an even better finish if I wet sanded the clear coat with 1000-1500 grit paper
    and then gave it a good final polishing
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    Overall I'm pretty happy with the outcome since the alternative is to repolish everything once a year
     
  8. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Old engine is out of Dirty Deeds
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    And pretty much striped of needed parts
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  9. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    So I'm going to polish everything 1 more time. A quick wet sanding with 600 grit and
    then black,brown,white & green polishings. I allready did the water inlet and outlet
    housings. The exhaust valve cover has been polished but not yet clear coated.
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    Now I've clear coated the exhaust cover
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    Here you can also see the water inlet housing
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    If your going to use GTS covers on a 165 head you won't be able to bolt down the intake covers
    center bolt
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    pretty much got this side together now
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  10. Jamezzy

    Jamezzy Well-Known Member Donated!

    That's a beautiful engine
     
  11. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    More weirdness? I was able to bolt down my covers as there are two holes
    on the exhaust cover

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  12. ST162Coupe

    ST162Coupe Well-Known Member

    stig, those 2 bolt holes are for the T/B stay on the GTE. :D
     
  13. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Dam that is weird, I knew you guys had your steering wheel on the wrong side of the car
    but now your telling me that your whole engine is reversed and the intake and exhaust
    is backwards. On my engine its the intake valve cover :hehe

    I have checked some of my other valve covers and some of them have the 2 holes on the
    intake cover so I would be guessing this may be an 86 cover and later covers were modified
    when they came out with the GTE head.
     
  14. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    :eek5 Ooops, meant intake side, pic is right way up and me that's upside down.
    Yeah looks like the early covers only had one hole there.
    They must have added the extra hole for this reason, can't see any other use for it
     
  15. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well thats a pretty nasty looking altenator
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    So I used a drill and wire wheel to clean it up and then I used black polishing
    compound to give it a shine. Metal doesn't have to be perfectly smooth or even
    sanded with 600-1000grit sandpaper. Here I just used a wire wheel and then
    straight to black polishing compound and you can still make a part look alot
    better
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    Here I've started to do the distributor not even a wire wheel this time just black
    polishing compound
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    and the intake manifold is coming along nicely
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  16. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    wow. holy crap that's amazing.
     
  17. Jamezzy

    Jamezzy Well-Known Member Donated!

    I second that. :drool5 The work and creativity you do is amazing
     
  18. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Okay some Toyota engineer should be shot for sticking this nasty piece
    of rusty metal on top of the oil cooler. They could have at least made it
    out of the same material as the oil cooler :aargh cheep bastards :barf
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    Oh well its gotta go, I'm hoping its spot welded but I dont see any signs
    of a spot weld so I'm just going to have to grind where the 2 sufaces
    meet
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    well still no signs of spot welds so I took some pliers and broke the left tab
    of by repeatedly bending it back and forth. It is seriously attached to the
    oil cooler so its not going to be to pretty cause I'm just going to have to
    keep grinding of the bracket until I think I'm down to the oil cooler metal
    so like I said its not going to be to pretty.
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    well not to pretty but polishing will help
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    and after I attacked it with the black polishing wheel
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    and I got the altenator bracket painted and the altenator re mounted
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  19. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    The altenator looks shinier in this shot
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    and now for todays fun job (not)
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    getting a tranny cleaned up
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    and that bit of nastyness is finished
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    and a bit later some paint
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  20. Pants

    Pants Guest

    What, no polished bolt heads? :hehe
     

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