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project: cheap (and now slow as well)

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by Saint, Apr 28, 2007.

  1. Saint

    Saint Guest

    so previously i was gathering info on what to do with my celica, now im in the building process. so i thought idd post some pics of poor beast.

    right after quick hone on cylinders and paint

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    pistons after they were cleaned

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    cleaned head

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    reassembled

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    engine bay before and after, decided not to repaint it cause i am lazy like that. and the paint still seemed to be in decent condition.

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    more pictures to come as time progresses.
    lemme know what you think
     
  2. Youds

    Youds Well-Known Member

    nice, just cleaning the parts or what did u replace?
     
  3. Saint

    Saint Guest

    just the rings and gaskets, the bearings all were within spec so i didnt want to spend the money. on the head i relapped the valves and changed the valve stem seals.

    aye rody family should always be first. my wife helps me on the car alot its good fun
     
  4. Saint

    Saint Guest

    why let it breath when you can force it to breath. :D we'll see what happens, i just think of this as a life support system. this car was my wifes car before we were married, it died shortly afterwards, and we tried to give it away but it ended up on the street with the windows down all winter, nobody wanted it so it was either obilivion or project. figure if i can experiment on it and get any money out of it, it would be worth it; for several reasons A: experience B: money C: time in the garage with the wife.... ya just cant beat it... well that is unless you have several wives to spend time in the garage with... kidding
    i cant help it, to much scheeming has gone on.

    i'll keep yall updated.
     
  5. Saint

    Saint Guest

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    tranny is mounted

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    my roof isnt high enough to get the engine in so i had to drop the car to the gorund to slide it under the engine, with a jack... good fun good fun.

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    backside of the engine, *note power steering is removed, and will stay that way, it seems to turn easier than my truck.

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    Elizabeth (my wife... the one who shaved the center of my head, in my sleep) after the engine was put in... im thinkin she probably did most the work... (i was sick.. coff coff) she then went on to chip out the sound matting... (inspired by a picture that mafix posted), we weighted in a majority of the chips at right under 30 lbs, then again that was subtracting from my weight and.. i had just taken a dump so.. it might have been more


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    yup yup 77 celica gt, paid 200 bucks running :-D, this is 3rd in line for overhaul, subaru 2.5 rs is next

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    this is what im working on at school, just thought idd show yall... its an h6
    just got done overhauling that engine.
     
  6. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    Where are you going to mount your oil filter? I see you've installed a take off for the oil lines, are you going to run a cooler also. I'm going to add remote filter and cooler, plus more than likely a Moroso oil pan with baffles and external return lines. Oh yea and a crank scrapper for just a little more power, all NA stuff but I'm looking for 20-30hp increase when build is done.

    My wife likes working on cars too, as long as it's her 300ZX, which shes soarced all parts and reworked herself.

    racerb 8)
     
  7. Saint

    Saint Guest

    i'll try the image gallery, im just moving the filter for now so its easier to get to once the turbo is on. maybe later i'll add a cooler. do you know what filter your going to run? or just the normal celica filter,
     
  8. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    In the past, I've run a big Fram filter like the one for an early Landcruiser. By going to the remote filter, cooler, and bigger filter, you gain at least another quart of oil capacity. I'm also thinking about adding a pressurized accusump system with about 2 quarts extra oil capacity. Hey one nice thing about relocating the filter, it eliminates the nasty oil changes by locating the filter straight up and down.

    racerb 8)
     
  9. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    With the location of the stock oil filter, it's nearly impossible not to make a mess on the lower half of the block when removing the damn thing. This is why a filter relocation kit would make more sense, and it's one of my next projects!

    racerb :shock:
     
  10. 1fstgts

    1fstgts Well-Known Member Staff Member Administrator Moderator Donated!

    :eek: Turboing a 3SGE Been there, did it,swore, wrenched, drove it, wrenched some more, swore alot, wrenched, spent thousands(yes thats more than a grand), wrenched, swore some more, blew it up and well swore and cried a little....

    Notice the pattern, theres not a lot of driving in there. I started my turboing project 3 years ago an Im ended up just starting over from the ground up. Now Im doing a full rebuild of a gen2 3SGTE and swap in.

    Heres just a few issues youll have forcing air into a 3SGE.
    Fuel: the stock 3SGE ecu wont give you enough, youll need a S-AFC or something smiliar Its not mapped for more air. Youll then need a higher flow fuel pump.
    Making a new exhaust setup. Stock wont work, Im not sure if an alltrac downpipe will mate up to the non alltrac exhaust. I had mine custom made out of 3 inch stainless anyways.
    Transmission: The GTS tranny has the starter on the wrong side. You CAN cut out the bellhousing and get either a ST/GT/Alltrac starter and mount it up. You have to get the different starter because it spins the opposite direction. Doing this mod is a PITA!!! Or just get a ST/GT Tranny or even more creative and one out of an MR2.
    PCV: The 3SGE Pos Crankcase ventilation is not plumbed for boost. Youll need to reconfigure that.
    Intercooler: Plumbing because of where the intake is at and beacuse the NA motor has higher valve covers than the turbo motor.
    Oil Filter relocation: Have to, because the exhust dump pipe will be in the way, plus you should add an oil cooler.
    Turbo oil lines: Feed line is easy, return line requires drilling a hole in your pan in the right spot.
    Water lines: PITA!!!

    Ok, Ive covered about 40% of the things that ticked me off when I did all of it. Yes it can be done, and yes it will run. However, if you really want to go boost, then just do the swap. Youll still get lots of experience working on an engine and save a bunch of money and probably drive your car alot sooner. IF you are still up for punishment and decide to go that route Ill try and help the best I can to save you from some of the aggravation I went through.

    BTW engine bay pics of that install are now up in the Album area.
     
  11. Saint

    Saint Guest

    thanks for the heads up, on problems i'll run into.

    fuel: ive got a walbro 255 lph fuel pump, 450cc injectors and a megasquirt v3 ecu for fuel, ive never tuned a stand alone before so that will be a new experience.

    the starter is the bigest problem im running into currently, i appreciate the options you gave me for fixing that problem, i think im just going to try an elbow there and see if it will work. exhaust will be custom.

    water feed... since i no longer have a heater core im thinking that i can run the lines from the 2 fittings where the heater core used to get it from... do you think that would work??

    as for innercooler ive got a 1g dsm side mount, sitting around and also a starion fmic, im thinkin about going with the sidemount just cause nobody will ever know, and it cools plenty for what i'll need.

    the turbo ive picked out only flows 330 cfm at 6 lbs of boost, which is all that im planning on running.

    whats the best way to reconfigure the pcv for boost??

    ever heard of anybody using a ac condenser for an oil cooler??? just a random thought
     
  12. 1fstgts

    1fstgts Well-Known Member Staff Member Administrator Moderator Donated!

    Im not really sure what you mean by an "elbow" for the starter. But the starter just wont fit there. The turbo will sit right in its way. Unless you make a completely custom exhaust manifold which would be a PITA.

    Water heater core lines would work. However youll need custom fittings, to bolt on to turbo, then to the lines. You can feed it through

    Bascially the PCV needs to be blocked off on the intake at the Throttle body. And then the valve cover line needs to be plumbed on the intake side of the Turbo so that there is always vaccum on it.

    AC condenser would be a bad idea. Just pickup a cheap oil cooler.
     
  13. underscore

    underscore Well-Known Member

    I think he means elbow for the exhaust, pretty sure you'd need an insanely thick gasket or something to push the exhaust far enough out for the starter. and then you'd hit your cooling fans. I would just get the proper tranny for the job.
     
  14. Youds

    Youds Well-Known Member

    i was told to get an fe starter and drill a new hole in teh bellhousing using the stock threads the otehr way
     
  15. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    on the flip side of this i have a GTE oil pan i can sell ya.
     
  16. 1fstgts

    1fstgts Well-Known Member Staff Member Administrator Moderator Donated!

    That is what i did on mine. Although Ive seen some GTS trannys with bellhousing that this couldnt be done to. It still was PITA and i had problems with it lining up.
     
  17. underscore

    underscore Well-Known Member

    looking at mine I wouldn't want to try to drill it out and custom fit it.
     
  18. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    Not to hijack the thread or anything, but I have a JDM tranny in my '87 with holes on both sides of the bellhousing. The FE starter I soarced from the local Pull-A-Part wouldn't reach the flywheel ring gear, bendix inguaged and all, but wouldn't reach the gear. I'm still looking for the right starter for the job!

    racerb :oops:
     
  19. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    i have heard that some JDM trannies only work with JDM starters.
     

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