GT4 gearbox with useless 1st gear

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by The3sgtestarlet, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    I have a GT4 4wd gearbox with the rear transfer housing plated shut. That means no rear transfer housing, no tailshaft, rear diff and rear axels. I have it in my FWD starlet. There is the transfer case complete, but not the rear section.


    Now when i take off in 1st gear, the engine revs high and the car goes not far. Kinda like a very slipping clutch and the car goes little distance associated with engine speed etc. Only when i put in 2nd gear it takes off like normall.


    So having said this, should i change the gearbox leaver to FWD mode? I guess its kinda like a celica gt4 with the rear end raised from the ground. Is the front end 50% and the rear 50% drivetrain ratio?


    What should i know?
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

  3. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    Last edited: Mar 19, 2012
  4. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    center diff still in?
     
  5. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    If your referring to the diff/crown wheel in the transfer case, yes, its all there.


    I just find that it may rev high,like up to 6000rpm just to hit 30-40kms/hour etc. 1st gear is the only drawback, the other gears are fine. I guess it may be something i have to live with. The car hooks up great from 2nd onwards.


    All i know is that the centre crown wheel, in the transfer case, is just free spinning, cos it doesnt have the rear housing assebly for the tailshaft/rear diff etc. I guess the car is like super vtec or nitrous. Its just responsive because it doesnt need to spin all that extra drivetrain etc.
     
  6. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    According to the "experts" it should'nt go at all, you've definitely got clutches slipping in 1st but the theory says it should slip all the time.

    Let's see how long it lasts
     
  7. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    I'm getting the car dynoed tomorow morning.


    The car has major torque steer on boost, so i guess its actually working etc, i'll post up results 2mrow.
     
  8. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    The car made only 93kws.

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    Here are the specs >
    12psi
    11 degrees base timing
    Dry ice satuarated top mount intercooler
    Tyre pressure: 30psi
    4th gear pull


    As far as i know, hopefully, the tvis is working.

    The overal power figure appears somewhat low, cos i was expecting well over 120kws minimum. The power curve is very straight for such type car and its age. Video coming soon.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2012
  9. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    why so low??
     
  10. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    i highly doubt that your 93kw is accurate for a 3s-gte...somethings gotta be off...
     
  11. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    Yeah i know, i have doubts.


    As far as i know, there is no leaks in the intake system causing boost leaks. Engine only has 160,000kms to it and its in A+ order. I just dont know. I'm probably guessing the tvis isnt working.

    Maybe i should connect direct 12volts to the tvis and see if its working, opening the secondary butterflies. Cos thats the only thing i could think of that may cause that low output.


    Its either the tvis or the dyno was not the best.
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2012
  12. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    could be your clutch slipping....
     
  13. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    im pretty confident, now, that the TVIS is not working. I will now remove it, and get the car dynoed again.
     
  14. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Are you sure the transfer case for the rear wheels doesn't have to be under load for the gearbox to send all the power to the front wheels?

    In any case, a free spinning crown wheel isn't a great idea as far as I know.

    AFAIK T-VIS not working would not make your engine lose that much power, I'm betting the gearbox is trying to route power to a non-existant rear diff.

    aaron.
     
  15. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I think you're on the money there....

    My car does 190km+ in 4th - not 174? wtf
    At what revs does it die like that? 5000?

    The diff/crownwheel isn't free spinning - the transfer is, and the diff needs resistance from it to function properly

    Im betting the Torque steer you refer to is just the diff trying to even things out and wasting huge amounts of power. Stock GTE's don't suffer from torque steer

    My bet is TVIS & gearbox ain't workin properly - did they try tuning it? what was the CO, AFR etc?
    What was the torque curve like?
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2012
  16. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    My dibs are on the tranny too. I never heard anyone installing a 3SGTE with the 4WD box for FWD use.
     
  17. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    Yep, its confirmed, a solonoid directly connected to the vacume diaphram wasnt connected. So the secondary butterflies were shut always. I will now remove the TVIS completely and ad a boost controller.


    PS: I have selected FWD only mode on the gearbox, and will see what happens.
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2012
  18. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    Today, out of curiosity, i selected FWD only mode via that adjustable plate on the gearbox. My lord what a difference it makes.


    The engine actually has quicker load and turbo spool up. From my understanding, as you would expect from such gearbox selection, 100% drive power is at the front wheels and not halved. I drove around the block with no issues, so far.

    What a difference, from the standard 4wd selection.
     
  19. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    that trans is a ticking time bomb. get any v6 fwd trans. you'll see a huge difference.
     

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