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Aaron's Custom ST16x Econometer

Discussion in 'Electronics' started by aaron, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Nice job! How did you do the custom case? I've seen guys like BenHeck use heaps of bondo and just sand it nice and smooth.

    That screen is the same one I am using, just with a different PCB behind it.

    For econometer position, I was thinking either mounting the screen box around the cluster on the dash somewhere or in place of the tacho and having the buttons on the steering wheel/on the center console/behind the door handle even?

    I can pretty much put them anywhere I like, depending on where people want them. Custom kits for each person woudn't be a problem either.

    I was also thinking about some more fun functions I can include. How about 0-100/0-60 times, 1/4 mile times etc? and even how much fuel each used? I have all the data for it, just need to write a function to put it all together and time the runs.

    aaron.
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    The front panel is an optional extra from Xecuter and you could buy them in all colours as well as red, blue.

    I don't want to alter the stock interior at all but altering a spare screen pillar cover could be another option,
    you can get gauge kits to fit there so why not?
     
  3. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    Yup, there is a good chance this is where I will put mine.

    I will be using mine primarily for the Vacuum gauge and had considered mounting it in the lower part of the steering column (where the gap is when the column is lowered), I have my steering column set quite low so it shouldn't impair my view of the gauge cluster and would be easy to hide the harness, I'll get it sussed when I purchase one.

    BTW Kev, nice job on the XBOX, very clever.


    Hey Aaron, does the screen illumination come in different colours and can something like this be 'dimmed' with a dimmer switch ?, I have read here that some lads have used LED's in their gauge cluster but the dimmer does'nt work properly, it's either on or off. I believe that even household LED's can't be dimmed, anyone know if this is actually the case ?

    NOTE :- I have just done some googling and found this but have no idea what it means and I quote.

    Yes. It is done by a technique called pulse width modulation. Similar to the principle used by incandescent lamp dimmers. Reduced duty cycle = reduced average current/power = reduced apparent brightness. Integrated circuits for this purpose are available from several sources.

    Artificial means of dimming LEDs also exist such as the patent-pending LEDdim dots and blocks.
     
  4. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Yes - on the XBOX you can change the LCD illumination via the Xecuter menu or even on XBMC (media centre),
    so it must be programmable. Colour isn't variable though
     
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2012
  5. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Dimming LEDs is easy, I'll make a separate circuit just for this purpose so you can change the brightness without going through a menu. Or how does an ambient light sensor sound?

    I can order the LCDs with different coloured backlights and pixels, but you can't change the backlight colour or screen colour after you receive it.

    aaron.
     
  6. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    why not order some RGB LED's and use them sas your back-light, then use your separate circuit to dim and change the colour?
     
  7. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I'll look into that, shouldn't be too hard if the backlight LED isn't glued in.

    aaron.
     
  8. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    I had a Dension HDD music player in my car a couple years ago, it's display looked exactly the same, I bet they used the same panel :D

    dension-mp3-lejatszo-cegled.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 29, 2012
  9. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    Yup....... he's on to it and I can't wait to buy one :cheers
     
  10. 4thgenceli

    4thgenceli Test Dummy

    Hopefully it'll be in a USDM system (MPG, etc)... I have all the resistance readings & whatnot off my gauges, so I'm down for one.
     
  11. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    if it is glued it will be around the edge.
     
  12. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Easy, just one extra calculation to get US Imperial measurements ;)
    I'll make a setting for it.

    I wouldn't be surprised, it's a very common panel and super simple to work with.

    aaron.
     
  13. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Sorry to go off-topic but Roy raised something interesting
    The later Celi's and Camry's etc came with 3 and 4 wire O2 sensors. I've no idea how that works but would it be possible to use one to read 02, AFR, Exhaust temp etc?.
    I could send you some to try. If so it could save a lot of welding and cash
    Silly question maybe but those gauges would cost $300 here at least
     
  14. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I have a 4 wire O2 sensor in my celi, don't you guys? Standard 3SGE part.

    The extra wires on 3 and 4 wire O2 sensors are only used for the heating element so that the sensor heats up faster. No extra sensors unfortunately.

    You can however read AFR using the oxygen sensor, something that I just found out.

    Some good reading on O2 sensors: http://www.aa1car.com/library/o2sensor.htm

    aaron.
     
    Last edited: Feb 29, 2012
  15. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    All JDM gen4's have 1 wire O2 sensors, I had to adapt mine for the bigger port on the gen5 exhaust
    UK models don't have a O2 sensor so I presume run in open loop
    Soods good - home made AFR!

    The AFR is directly proportional to the temp? dunno, ie a lean mix will be hotter than a rich mix
    on n/a motors this should be easy to work out but on turbo's the turbo itself affects the exhaust temp, either cooling it or heating it up depending on how hard the turbo is working.

    The article is interesting - key points were:
    70% of vehicles failing emissions have bad O2 sensors
    Sensors should be changed every 50 000km - hands up everybody who has.
    As sensors age they make less voltage indicating a lean mix which causes the ECU to pump more fuel even thought the motor isn't lean

    We have a problem regarding the O2 sensor, besides whether it's fitted or not and the type fitted.
    Another thing to consider is the location - mine has it next to the steering rack now but it was originally on the headers. Some of us have it in the headers and others have it further back - dunno if/how that affects things but it will definitely affect exhaust temp
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2012
  16. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    AFAIK the oxygen sensor measures O2 in the exhaust gasses and calculates AFR accordingly.
    More O2 = lean, less O2 = rich.
    I don't think it matters where the O2 sensor is, as long as it's before the cat. My parts car had it near the steering rack too.

    I know my sensor is about as old as the engine, same with the one I'm swapping in from my old parts car, but this one works. Hopefully.
    I've been chewing through fuel like mad lately, partly due to me changing balljoints and hubs and not yet having an alignment done, and mostly due to the O2 sensor kicking the bucket.

    $110 I was quoted by BURSONS for a new O2 sensor, I'd rather set the AFR manually with a trimpot :p

    aaron.
     
  17. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    What I mean is I don't think my O2 sensor works - at all
    The article states that a 1 wire sensor works from 600 deg up, the most I've been able to measure is around 300 deg at the headers and further down it's even colder.

    How can I make it 4 wire and working constantly?
     
  18. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I'm going to assume you can use a soldering iron and heat-shrinking wire crimps.
    In that article is the wire colour codes.

    I'm just winging it here, using my knowledge of auto electrics;
    Patch the signal wire into the original O2 sensor wire, ground to any ground wire ( or even to the engine block ), one heater wire to any wire with +12v when the key is ON, and one to ground.

    You might want to confirm the connections with the BGB, but I'm fairly certain I got it right.

    aaron.
     
  19. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Yeah, no problem soldering etc
    I was thinking to join one black-white to earth
    The sensor wire stays and the heater wire from the TVIS as I think it's only needed below 4000rpm anyway
    Could this work? or is the current draw too high

    I'm measuring using a handheld IR heat gauge which is damn accurate, the headers are wrapped and I don't get more than 300degC anywhere, I guess gas temp inside would be a little higher and have fitted a FPR to test different fuel levels vs performance vs exhaust temp

    A far cry from my race rotary which would lite up at 1100degC
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2012
  20. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    The O2 sensor uses the heat inside the pipe to generate voltages, so measuring the wrap temperature would give a significantly lower reading than the actual exhaust gasses.
    I'd hazard a guess and say that your actual exhaust temps are more than enough to get the O2 sensor working.

    Joining both the earths together shouldn't cause a problem, the 3 wire version uses that configuration I think.

    If you want to set up the heater to only work below 4000RPM you'd have to invert the T-VIS signal and trip an NC relay at 4000RPM. The T-VIS wire was only designed to work the T-VIS, so I'd try not to put any more current draw on it than necessary.

    I can design the circuit required for signal inversion and tripping the relay at 4K if you'd have no trouble putting it together on perfboard.

    aaron.
     

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