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Aaron's Custom ST16x Econometer

Discussion in 'Electronics' started by aaron, Feb 6, 2012.

  1. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I dunno if that's the right way to do it, maybe just leave it turned on is better? do you know how much current it uses.
    Maybe just run it from the main relay?

    I'm not measuring the wrap, only at gaps in the wrap and the temps are crazy low but the wrap has burnt away already in places, I know the temps inside are higher but I doubt 2x as high.

    I was hoping to get it on the dyno and get some idea of what's going on but it's not going to happen as the guy lost his lease and is packing up. I'll try different settings/injectors etc and see what difference it makes.

    I also need someone to look at the wiring diagram and tell me how to change the fans to permanently live.
    All my previous cars the fans would work independant of the ignition switch and I think that's a better/safer way of doing it, now I have to sit in the car and wait for the temp to come down.
    I have a turbo timer but don't see a need on a n/a car
     
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2012
  2. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    stig, just use your turbo timer for the fans...
     
  3. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Have you considered your IR thermometer might need calibration? They aren't all that accurate in the first place and different materials will give different readings at the same temperature.
    Not sure how much current the heating element uses, I'll check. Leaving it on while the key is on should be fine though, I just have an OCD thing about wasting energy. Everything I design uses the least amount of energy as possible.

    Setting the fans always live would be fairly simple, I'll take a look at the diagrams for you tomorrow. I don't think it's required though, Toyota did have a bunch of engineers working on the Celica :p

    aaron.
     
  4. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Couldn't get a good reading on the heating element, but it would be a negligible amount of current draw. You could hook the heater up to the main relay and it should work just fine.

    For the fan working independent of the ignition, buying an extra relay, wiring it up to the temp switch above the thermostat and having it switch either +12v or GND for the fan would be the safest way.

    As always, I'd be happy to draw you up a schematic if it's needed.

    aaron.
     
  5. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    The IR unit is new and perfect, I even tried a different type to confirm.

    Yes, I'm also OCD about current and looking for ways to save power.

    I was hoping to just move a 12v wire on the fan relay to one of the live fuses

    How would a turbo timer keep the fans alive? If I ran a wire to the fan relay it would keep everything else live?
     
  6. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    That would definitely work.
    Bypass the main EFI relay, connecting the fan relay directly to +12v, just make sure you fuse it.

    aaron.
     
  7. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    AWHHH!!! he bet me too it...
     
  8. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    What is this, a sparky competition? :tongue:

    aaron.
     
  9. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I'll have to suss it out , theres two fans and I've been told one is an aircon fan but they always worked together?
    What triggers the aircon fan?

    I hate the way the motor heats up after it's switched off, on my other cars the fans would keep working and prevent that from happening
     
  10. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Pretty sure the aircon fan is triggered by the aircon being turned on.
    You could add a secondary connection onto the aircon fan to make it run when the radiator fan is running if you wanted to.

    Basic physics says that your engine can't heat up more after it's turned off :p

    aaron.
     
  11. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    My fans must've been modded then, on my 3S-FE auto they would work independant of each other and it didn't matter if the aircon was on or off.

    Basic physics never met the Toyota "S" series - If the car is about to start the fans because the radiator is full of boiling water and the motor is even hotter and I shut it off - what happens?
    The thermostat stays open, the water mixes and the temp at the fan switch etc rises until wind etc has an effect on the radiator.
    We forget the fan switch is reading radiator temperature, not motor temperature and you can try this yourself next time you stop, leave it a minute or two and then switch on, the fans will start up
     
  12. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    The A/C fan circuit has a horrible schematic in my repair/rebuild book, so I'm not entirely sure what controls the fan.

    I'm sure Toyota had a reason to have the fans not work with the ignition switch off, as odd an idea it is.

    I only have one fan in my celi, I don't think the aircon fan cleared my exhaust header when it was installed. This might be why my aircon doesn't work, or it could just need regassing.

    aaron.
     
  13. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    When I turn my car off, the fan/s will stop as well........ BUT, when I turn the car off and then turn the ignition to 'on', the fan/s will start again untill the temperature is cool enough for the sensors to tell the fans to stop.

    As Aaron said, Yota must've had a reason for no fans on off, safety is the only thing I can think of and prolly a good idea to isolate such shit although as I'm walking down the footpath these days, I do hear many different car fans with NO drivers.

    I have an auto and 2 fans and would like the fans continue operating as I'm walking down the road with keys in hand.
     
  14. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    would eb handy to make a timer to stay on 2 mins after the engines off, easily done.
     
  15. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    Yup, could a timer be an option in your Econometer Aaron ?
     
  16. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    It could be an option, but it would take up an extra input/output pin and lots of extra wiring. I could build a separate adjustable fan timer that doesn't keep the engine running and can be put in the engine bay for about $5 easier.

    EDIT: Actually, it would be quite simple to have the option in the econometer. If you don't mind only having space for 4 extra gauges instead of 5.

    aaron.
     
    Last edited: Mar 5, 2012
  17. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I think it would be better to have it seperate!
     
  18. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Just a small update.
    I've built a rough prototype just using parts that I had on hand, so now it's much more portable and I can test and debug it in my car.

    The buttons also work a lot better now, which makes testing the menus a lot easier.

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    The mess of wires behind it :p
    Of course the finished product will be a lot prettier.

    aaron.
     
  19. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    So excited! I can't wait to install the finished product!
     
  20. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Thanks :) It feels great that more people than just me are excited about something that I'm building for once :p

    I took the fuel tracking functions for a test drive this morning, turns out there is about half an inch of throttle movement between 0.08 mL/minute and 0.20mL/minute! This thing will really help me and everyone else save heaps of fuel.

    I'm actually contemplating including an LED fuel usage indicator to install in the gauge cluster for quick economy reference, I know it will be useful for me and quicker than reading numbers.

    aaron.
     

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