starter motor sounds like a machine gun!

I've never seen the flat tooth version before
3S-GE needs a shield on the starter, there's a lot of heat coming off the exhaust

 

Never had any problems with heat on the starter, but I've got a set of genie extractors that do a good job of taking the heat away from the engine.

 

I think the flat ones are rebuilt starters where they cheaped out and didn't do the extra cut
on replacement starter gears

 

Yeah Stig...I exchanged the starter for one that will accept the shield. I installed it last night along with the repaired exhaust mani. Hopefully I can button everything up this evening and I'll report to all on the "Burp" thread.
Vic

 

Hey Rev I don't know where your at on this starter problem and since you've tried 2 starters and each have worked
at least for a while I find it unlikely that the starter is a problem. nd since both have worked at least for a while I don't
thing that having a flat end on the gear is really an issue either.
You have questioned if maybe you wired the relay wrong so I would suggest you bypass everything and lets just test the starter

Have you tested the starters ?

Lets start with the old starter that you replaced.
You need a set of jumper cables and a piece of wire

-attach the positive cable to the battery post on the starter and make sure the clamp doesn't ground against the starter casing
-attach the negative cable to any part of the casing
-attach a second wire to the battery post on the starter or clamp it with the positive cable
-attach the other ends of the booster cables to a good battery
-take the other end of the piece of wire and touch it to the smaller connection inside the brown plug and your starter should spin or smoke or perhaps just do nothing
you should hold/secure the starter before applying 12 volts as it may jump around a bit if it does still work



If you want to test the starter in the car

*****place the car in neutral, emergency brake on and hopefully someone inside the car engaging the clutch*******
Unplug the small wire that goes into the starter brown/black plug, I would make a test wire with a spade connector on
the end of it so I can plug it right into the starter and make the wire long enough to reach your 12 volt terminal of the
battery
Once the test wire is connected to the starter make sure to *****place the car in neutral, emergency brake on and hopefully someone inside the car engaging the clutch*******
Stand beside not in front of the car and touch the test wire to the 12 volt battery terminal

Now you have to tell me what happened when you tested each starter
Lets start with the basics and try to isolate the problem

 

Its not the starter motor. Trust me, i know, i have that machine gun sound to.

Your battery is flat on cranking, causing the machine gun chatter. With me, i have perfect 12.9 volts battery, then overnight goes to 9 volts due to current draw from the ecu. When i crank i get that noise.