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So im kinda pissed. . . . [head crap]

Discussion in 'All Motor Power' started by slow_yota, Jul 14, 2007.

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  1. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    So i went up to my storage and started pulling stuff off of the 2nd gen 3sge today to send away to get ceramic coated .So i pull the valve cover off the head and then see one of the cams are literally broken in half..leads me to the timing belt, its snapped..most likely, I'm gonna need a head replacement or in the least a good head rebuild.

    Does anyone have a source of where i can find oem or performance valves, seat, springs, lifters, retainers. . .etc?

    If it is too much.. I may just stay with my 1st gen and build that..and part out the 2nd gen
     
    slow_yota, Jul 14, 2007
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  2. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    toda or paradise racing. look in the aftermarket support list.
     
    Mafix, Jul 14, 2007
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  3. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    I can use 3sgte/1zz parts right?
     
    slow_yota, Jul 15, 2007
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  4. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    in the valve train...no and yes. i'll get a little more detailed on this later. this is for a 2nd gen GE right?
     
    Mafix, Jul 15, 2007
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  5. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    most likely..i took the head off and found some minor cracks that i want to get magnafluxed first so i know the head is still rebuildable..or total shit

    if that being the case ill either have to buy another gen 2 head or just stay with my gen 1, Dont know right now..if im lucky the ebay seller that sold me the engine will send me a head..in the least
     
    slow_yota, Jul 15, 2007
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  6. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    cracked alu head=trash
     
    Mafix, Jul 15, 2007
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  7. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    That blows:(

    ok..well, get me the info on the 1st gen..cuz im not seeing any gen 2 heads for sale on ebay or anywhere else.
    Thanks. . Maf
     
    slow_yota, Jul 15, 2007
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  8. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    write up in how to on the shimless buckets and toda is the only company that makes valve train for the 1st gen.
     
    Mafix, Jul 15, 2007
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  9. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    So Toda has the buckets only? or are you saying they carry the entire valve train? ..im not following your reply :?
     
    slow_yota, Jul 15, 2007
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  10. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    the toyota echo has the buckets. toda has the springs, valves, retainers. i think ferrea might make something as well i don't remember.
     
    Mafix, Jul 16, 2007
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  11. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    hmm..good deal, I will have to indulge into this more when the paycheck comes around.
     
    slow_yota, Jul 16, 2007
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  12. Kiasis

    Kiasis Well-Known Member Donated!

    You can get a gen 2 head from www.Toysport.com, but I'm not sure their pricing is the best. Some guys down south luv'em and others want to blow them up, but they do have gen2 heads if you want to go that route. If you can use the gen 2 (we can't in CA for smog reasons) it will certainly give you a big performance improvement over the gen 1.
     
    Kiasis, Jul 18, 2007
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  13. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    oh god no...big waste of money! toysport is really over priced. good product but very expensive.
     
    Mafix, Jul 18, 2007
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  14. Kiasis

    Kiasis Well-Known Member Donated!

    Yeah, they wanted too much for the setup I needed, but they got a gen 2 long block for $650 they claim has less than 50k miles on it. I don't know how that compares to other places price wise, but it doesn't seem too bad for the extra 20+ hp and more lower end torque if you're already looking at $300-400 for a properly rebuilt head. Just a thought...
     
    Kiasis, Jul 18, 2007
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  15. MITT4G

    MITT4G Well-Known Member

    Yeah- Im pretty close to ToySport- they have good products but Durability and Finacally they are nit to sturdy- But they have a wide varity of engines for all your swap needs..... :?
     
    MITT4G, Jul 18, 2007
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  16. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    Can i bolt on a 2nd gen top end [intake mani-head-exhaust mani] on a 1G block?
     
    slow_yota, Jul 19, 2007
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  17. Kiasis

    Kiasis Well-Known Member Donated!

    Yes, I believe the heads are a direct swap since I don't think they made any bottom end changes between 1st and 2nd gen. Everything was in the head.

    We've got another place up here in Sacramento, www.attarco.com , that has a very good selection of engines. You might give them a buzz and see if they can help. They have way more engines than listed on their web site - like at least three gen 1 3SGEs, I just don't know about gen 2 heads or completes.

    I paid $350 for a JDM gen 1, complete w/ EGR porting. They were recommended to me by my mechanic who's being buying from them for years and said he'd only had a couple of problem engines and Attarco made good on them immediately. Just another option...
     
    Kiasis, Jul 19, 2007
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  18. underscore

    underscore Well-Known Member

    someone else just bought an engine from them too, and I might be shortly.
     
    underscore, Jul 20, 2007
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  19. Kiasis

    Kiasis Well-Known Member Donated!

    Attarco? Good guys - very old school. I expect (hope) you'll be as pleased as I was in dealing w/ them.
     
    Kiasis, Jul 20, 2007
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  20. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    Ok..so i got the toda catalog in today and it list that the valve train/bearings parts they have fit the 3sgte..But say nothing about the 3sge..Is it the same head?
     
    slow_yota, Sep 15, 2007
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