Severe grinding noise while braking.

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by Zaluss, Aug 24, 2011.

  1. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    I've been hearing this loud grinding noise when braking and I've been trying to figure out what it is before I start throwing parts at it. The noise started soon after I replaced the passenger CV joint. I can hear the noise when I rotate the wheel but when I remove the brake caliper the noise disappears. There is also some play in the brake rotor as I can move it back and fourth. I don't hear any noises while the car is moving.

    Any insight to this?
     
  2. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    check to make sure everything is bolted down properly...make sure that your caliper is working correctly......and uneven wear on the pads?
     
  3. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

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    Heres a picture of the pads.
     
  4. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    your caliper doesnt seem to be working correctly...your wearing too much and i dont think your piston is working on one side.
     
  5. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hmm how do i fix or check that?
     
  6. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    really have no ideas on checking that.......just looks like it isnt working on one side very well.....take it off and have it checked out.
     
  7. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

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    Heres some pictures of the rotor itself and the inside of the caliper. Noticed the rotor has some interesting grooves in it.
     
  8. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    Honestly I would change out the rotor and buy a new caliper. .......then if its still there we can go to the next step but I think doing that will solve ur problem
     
  9. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Yeah that rotor is definetely toast, so is that 1 brake pad. I don't know what
    that crap is that is on that one rotor but its not good
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    Heres a bit of info on how your calipers work. Left an assembled caliper right
    a disasembled caliper. The top piece of the disassembled caliper should have
    2 pins indicated by the yellow arrow, the right one is missing. The pins slide
    into 2 tubes in the bottom piece. The top piece is the piece of the caliper that
    mounts to the hub so it never moves. It also holds the 2 brake pads in place
    but just loosely the pads are free to slide in the top piece. When you press on
    the brake pedal the bottom piece needs to be able to slide along those 2 pins.
    When you press on the brake pedal the piston extends (green arrow) pressing
    on the inside brake pad which in turn presses on the inside of the caliper, when
    there is enough pressure on the inside pad then the caliper will want to slide
    on those 2 pins which makes the 2 tabs on the bottom piece (red arrows) press
    on the outside brake pad pressing it in on the outside of the caliper. So pull the
    2 pieces appart and lube the 2 pins and make sure the 2 pieces slide pretty easilly.
    I`m guessing right now the pieces are stuck together pretty good so it may
    take a bit of work to get them appart.
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    Most people think it is the piston that seizes up but that is very very rare. The
    most common problem is one of the 2 pins seizeing up. Thats why some of mine
    are missing a pin, they`ve been used on another caliper to repair it.
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    heres a picture of the front suspension. Just make sure your axle nut is torqued
    properly. It should be
    1900 kg-cm or 137 ft-lb or 186 N-m
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    So I would buy a new rotor and brake pads, if you can free up the pins on the caliper
    then its probably still okay. That is why your right wheel wouldn`t spin freely
    The caliper isn`t releaseing properly so there is allways some pressure from the brake pad on the rotor.
    All that grooveing is probably little stones that get cought between rotor and stuck brake pad.


    I lube my pins every year.
     
  10. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    yeah...i see your point on the piston......i usually just start there........didnt think of the pins....this is why several people get their heads together and you can learn new shyt.......


    is it possible to over tighten your pins?
     
  11. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks for the information guys. I have new brake pads and rotors on the way so I should have them today. What should I use to lube the pins? just regular engine grease?
     
  12. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well the engine uses oil not grease I`m sure your aware of that but just to be on the safe
    side engines/transmissions/differentials use oil, ball joints axles and bearings use grease.
    Pretty much any grease will work. I allways like to use synthetic grease so it doesn`t thicken
    up in the winter time. I`m not recommending Mobil 1 just a conveinient picture.
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  13. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks. I have some synthetic grease for automotive around here so I'll use that. I received my new rotors and pads today also.

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  14. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

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    You were right. The caliper pins where incredibly hard to get out. I greased them up and they slid right back in. With the new brakes and rotors, the noise goes away and I brake nicely now. Thanks guys.
     
  15. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    :thumbsup: Allways nice to see happy Celica's on the road :driving
     
  16. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    Now you can also practice rebuilding your spare caliper.
    It isn't that hard and rebuild kits are cheap.
     
  17. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    Spare caliper? I just reused the one I had. Speaking of caliper, I noticed brake fluid spill out when I was depressing the caliper with my c clamp on the drivers side to fit the new brake pads. Thats normal right?
     
  18. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    ^Yep, nothing to worry about. I re-read the posts, I misunderstood; thought you bought a rebuilt caliper.
     
  19. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    -ive found the best results with either silglide, or cnc disk brake grease. 09 would burn of any other type grease very quickly.
     
  20. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Thats beacause there's no pad left, you're looking at the holes in the backing plate

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    I hope you didn't forget to re-fit the driveshaft locking plate and pin? Why did you remove the driveshaft?
     

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