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RAMS for Power Hood

Discussion in 'Parts Wanted' started by Chan110, May 4, 2012.

  1. Chan110

    Chan110 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hi

    My 1988 JDM has leaking rams for the power hood - therefore roof not working.

    Wondering if anyone know:

    1. Whether they can be refurbished (costs)?
    2. Whether anyone have any spares going?
    3. Where to buy some new ones (Toyota expensive)?

    Cheers!

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  2. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    Have you spoken to yota to see if a seal kit is availiable ?............... I live 2 blocks from yota and will inquire for you.

    I think I'v said this to you before and will assume that the top screws off giving you access to the seals.
     
  3. Chan110

    Chan110 Well-Known Member Donated!



    Cheers pal.
    I just left it with the celica garage...but try here just in case thrr are some spares flying abt :)
     
  4. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    I forgot :banghead .............. Tomorrow I'll ask and if they have a seal kit you should be able to order it from the UK.
     
  5. Chan110

    Chan110 Well-Known Member Donated!


    Thks!!!!!! :thumbsup:

    I noticed u have a 3S-GE.
    But, I have a 3S-FE - wot's the difference?
     
  6. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    3s-ge is the performance engine
    3s-fe is the fuel economy engine

    For your roof cylinders you should be able to disassemble them and are probably going to find that you
    need to replace 1 or 2 rubber "O" rings for each cylinder. Is the cylinder physically leaking fluid ? There are
    probably going to be 2 "O" rings either 1 can fail, 1 will produce no external leak (yellow arrow) the other will
    cause fluid to leak where the shaft exits the hydraulic cylinder (blue arrow)

    If you don't want to do it yourself you may consider any place that does hydraulic repairs, ie places that work on farm equipement, backhoes....

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    but it's so easy to do yourself
    - open the end of the cylinder
    - remove the rod that extends from the cylinder
    - inspect the inside of the cylinder for scratches / defects
    - the rod you remove should have at least 1 "O" ring
    - replace the "O" ring(s) (yellow arrow if its an internal leak)
    - replace the "O" ring(s) (blue arrow if its an external leak)
    - you might want to put a bit of hydrualic fluid on the rings before you insert them
    into the cylinders
    - inspect the shaft that extends from the cylinder as this will interact with the blue "O" ring and
    try to remove any defects
    - you may also need to replace the seal on the cylinder that was compromised when you opened the cylinder
    depends what it is, some may use a rubber O ring which you may be able to reuse, some may use a gasket
    which you may have to replace

    Heres an idea of how your cylinder works
    -fluid goes in the green hole and the shaft retracts into the cylinder
    -fluid goes in the red hole and the shaft extends from the cylinder
    -the yellow arrow points to the area where your going to find the "O" ring you need to replace if there is no external fluid leakage
    -if you have fluid leaking from where the rod exits the cylinder then you need to look for a smaller
    gasket in the area of the blue arrow

    If it is an external leak how bad is the leak ?
     
  7. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    In another thread relating to this same problem you mentioned that your not entirely confident with trying to fix this yourself so let the mechanic have a look at them for you, it will still be way cheaper than sourcing other rams.

    Take carefull note of what ST165-2765 has written for you here and if need be, print out his instructions and give it to your mechanic.

    'O' rings can be sourced from many different places, not just toyota, I will still wander down the road to have a chat to toyota to see what information they can provide with 'O' ring sizes and how many etc.....

    There is a link here somewhere to a parts catalogue but I'm not sure if there is an 'exploded' view of the rams, either way, you'll soon see what's going on when you pull them apart.
     
  8. Chan110

    Chan110 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Cheers ST165-2765 - that's real invaluable step-by-step guide! :thumbsup:
    And the pic with your arrows says a 1000 words!

    And thks Spiderman - I will forward ST165-2765 guide to my mechanic whose got the rams and will be fixing it.
    I took my car to my mechanic so that he could have a full inspection of it since I bought RED (my car) - so I thought he might as well fixed the broken power hood.

    I did search this forum for info, but they seems to be European manuals?
    For example I couldn't find folding mirrors in this manual: http://www.st162.net/forum/showthread.php?4589-Body-Electrical
    But some info on the roof/rams here are helpful: http://www.st162.net/forum/showthread.php?923-89-Convertible-0wners-Manual-Repair-Manual-Supplement

    We also found this...but please be warned, the following pics may damage your eyes:
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  9. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    :lachtot ......... at least they put in a decent exhaust gasket :lachtot

    It's not 'pimp my ride', it's GHETTO my ride :facepalm


    Seriously tho, isn't that just bullshit, thank goodness it an easy fix so ask your mechanic if he has the gear to put in a new piece of pipe.


    Good quality pics BTW.
     
  10. Chan110

    Chan110 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Initially, I just wanted to spend as little as possible and just replace that section of the pipe, but then if I can do everything in one go on the underside, it could last for years...so this is what I am considering (pls comment):

    1. Remove current whole exhaust system (with cat)
    2. Spray rust-prevention all underside with POR-15
    2. Apply sealer to other bits
    3. Apply top-seal (not sure with wot yet)
    4. Fit new stainless steel de-cat system (Once u see the pics below, u understand why):

    Underside with original 23-year old underseal:

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