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Project Rust Destroyer (56K W*A*R*N*I*N*G)

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by ST165-2765, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Excellent idea but no real need as they are on there real tight. I think the steel line is a slightly larger diameter than the metal tubes they attach to on the engine. I'm 100% positive there not going to leak and I did drive it quite a bit last summer when they were in their polished condition with no problems.

    One could only hope that all encounters in life had that tight a fit if you get my drift [​IMG]
     
  2. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    rofl, luckily i married the one i found.
     
  3. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Got louvers ?

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    I read somewhere that toyota decided against louvers because Datsun (can you say RUST BUCKET) had used them on the
    240z. Ah well to bad for toyota, I picked these up from some place in the states that knew they were for a toyota but
    didn't know what model but they had the dimmensions of the unit listed so I grabbed them. Unfortunately they were the
    last set they had. I have also seen a plastic version but they warp over time so I'm quite happy with the aluminum version.
    Their also hinged at the top so they can be raised to clean the hatch glass.
     
  4. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    nice! when you going to tackle the quarter panels?

    i like the look, different and old school for sure. sets the car off from the rest.
     
  5. mifitso

    mifitso Guest

    those look pretty cool
     
  6. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    man, what a steal! planning on getting rid of the wiper in the back then? i figure that the louvers will do a good job at keeping the rain out for the most part.
     
  7. Mattcr2d2

    Mattcr2d2 Well-Known Member Donated!

    sweet! dude th0ughs louvers look sick! coolgleamA
     
  8. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well since dirty deeds is now experiencing snow its time to start planning for my All Trac.
    So I guess I'm going to go all out on this one and do my version of the IMSA Celica so I
    need to get some measurements.

    I can use ratio's to figure out sizes so width of hood is 7cm in picture actual width is 52"
    overall width in picture is 9.5cm actual width is 52/7 * 9.5 = 70.57" current stock overall
    width is 65"
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    width of taillights 16.2cm actual width is 61" overall width of new fender is 18.8cm
    actual width is 61/16.2 * 18.8 = 70.79"
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    so 5 1/2" wider in the front and 10" wider in the back

    So the most important thing for the car is going to be tire and rim size and I know stock alloy
    rims are 14*6 and I've heard offsets from 30 to 40 so lets measure
    depth = 12.9cm
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    now I need the inner and outer dimmensions of the rim lip
    17.8cm
    15.4cm
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    the thickness of the lip of the rim is (17.8 - 15.4)/2 = 1.2cm
    depth = 12.9 - 1.2 = 11.7cm
    center of rim = 15.4/2 = 7.7cm

    offset = 11.7 - 7.7 = 4cm or +40

    So a stock alloy rim is 14*6 offset +40

    I want the biggest wheels I can fit it looks to me like the IMSA car uses much bigger than stock wheels
    especially at the back but since I'm doing an All Trac my wheels will have to be the same diameter but I'll
    still try to go as big as possible.
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    unfortuneately the front wheel is really the limiting factor theirs really not much extra room between the
    wheel and the frame of the cab, from the door to the fender is 7"
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    and with the fender removed from the door to the unibody frame is 6.5" so I would have to say a 26"
    diameter tire will be the absolute maximum I may have to use a sledge hammer and redesign the unibody
    a bit just to get that to fit
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    now I need to consider the clearance for the strut on the inside so I'll check what the stock setup is
    205 60 r14 & 14*6 +40
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    what I want to know is how much of the tire is sticking out and how much is sticking in useing the
    mounting pad as a reference
    sticking out = 8.1/2 - 1.6 = 2.45"
    sticking in = 8.1 - 2.45 = 5.65"
    so as long as my new tires don't stick in any more than 5.65" I should be okay the only other thing I
    have to consider is the seat for the spring I think a 26" tire will still clear it but it is getting close if
    the tire is to big I will have to move out another 2" so I would reduce the sticking in value to 3.65"
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    The easiest way to move wheels out is to change the rim offset so after a lot of searching I finally
    found a 15" rim with a -38 offset. Thats a 7.8 cm move so thats potentially my rims
    Anytime you get - offsets I think their more designed for trucks but I'll take them
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    front tire 215 65 r15 rim 15*8 -27
    sticking out = 8.5/2 + 1.1 = 5.35"
    sticking in = 8.5 - 5.35 = 3.15"

    rear tire 275 50 r15 rim 15*10 -38
    sticking out = 10.8/2 + 1.5 = 6.9"
    sticking in = 10.8 - 6.9 = 3.9"

    stock sticking out was 2.45"
    width increase front = 5.35- 2.45 = 2.9" per side
    width increase rear = 6.9 - 2.45 = 4.45" per side

    I can't get 5X100 bolt pattern the best I can do is 5X114.3 which is the same as my camry
    for the front I'll try to swap camry parts to match the bolt pattern but for the rear I'll use
    some 1" spacers to convert from 5x100 to 5x114.3 so add an extra inch to each rear tire width

    final width increase rear = 4.45 1 = 5.45" per side
     
  9. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    :popcorn

    oh my, after all we've all seen with your fibreglass work, i'm excited for this!!
     
  10. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well hopefully you were entertained with all the sheet metal work I did on
    Dirty Deeds because I'm guessing almost all the mods will be done with steel

    I did a new internet search and found some more pictures ....enjoy :popcorn
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    they must have produced a plastic model kit at some point (next 4 pictures)
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    tranny was rear mounted, tranny drove the altenator off the drivers side halfshaft.
    Gotta wonder if your going to move the tranny back why you wouldn't move the engine
    back there to. Best possible weight distribution when engine is mid mounted, no driveshaft
    from engine to tranny saving weight.
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    finally I have an engine pic kind of
    engine has been rotated counterclockwise 90 degrees
    exhaust is coming out the drivers side going forward into the turbo charger
    air is entertering the turbo on the passenger side from the intake at the bottom of the windshield
    and flowing through that black plastic tube after that it gets a bit confusing, it looks like theirs
    probably a second turbo ....
    looks like all the exhaust/hot air components/tubes are on the drivers side and all the cold air/intake
    components/tubes are on the passengers side
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    the above 3 pics are from this car
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  11. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    For your version I think you need to model on the Daytona version with lights
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    Engine
    Nice pics - notice the motor is not a 3S-GE? it's an 8V hidden under the c/f inlet
    There's 1 turbo, wastegate feeds gas back into the headers, BOV feeds into the exhaust.
    Notice the driver adjustable swaybar? Sits down low in front of the engine
    Remote reservoir gas shocks

    I think engine location was dictated in the rules

    Rear
    Notice the driver adjustable swaybar?
    The rear diffuser?
    The gearbox is conventional and not sequential as you would expect

    This was cutting edge back in 87, no wonder the other teams could'nt stop wining

    Fuel tank is odd, it's high and a weird shape? - must be for rapid filling?
    (Nowdays fuel flow rates are limited after some bad fires)
    Rear brake ducts are fed from the doors - must lead to the front wells?

    Liftback rear pics are hard to find
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    They used it in numerous ads - it think this pushed Toyota forward as a serious manufacturer along with the WRC successes
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  12. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I'm thinking of doing the sunken headlights but I'll weld the headlight covers into the hood
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    EH???????? :eek5 no no no no no no noooooooooooooooooooooo

    thats the beauty of it a whimpy little 4 cylinder rice burner went to north america
    and smoked all the big boys in their v8's (first time I saw the IMSA Celica was this add)
    475hp 4 cylinder Celica
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  13. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I vote 4 headlights! :mrgreen

    Spot the cover? It's the "old" 3T motor
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    Hard to believe it's an 8V chain driven motor
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    What I find strange is that none of the ads says it has a 3S motor, only that it has a Celica motor -
    but omitted to say it was from an older model.

    More strange is that Toyota was sitting on a technological goldmine and didn't take advantage of it.
    Only years later did Audi come to the front of GTO & Wesbank Modifieds with a Quattro
    Turbo 2.2l 20V 5cyl 4wd car with sequential box @600hp with restrictor -
    Toyota had all that back in 87 and didn't use it??
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    The resemblence to the IMSA Celica is uncanny
     
  14. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    Amazing pics! I like the hatchc version better :)

    I have to disagree. You're right on saving weight by not having the driveshaft, but the Celi's front end is huge, you have to put there something, otherwise all the weight would be at the mid and rear.
     
  15. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

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    what will you use for the gear knob... :lachtot
     
  16. lone wolf

    lone wolf Well-Known Member Donated!

    maybe you can contact fiberite who seems to have made the bodyshell. Maybe they have some stuff left somewhere for you to use?
     
  17. carina

    carina Active Member

    engine was same 2.1 liter 4T-GT, which were in B group rally celica, I think.
     
  18. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    you want my diamond wheels?
     
  19. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I doubt that the offset would be what I want, I did alot of searching to substitute our +40
    OEM rims with some that have a -38 offset for a whopping 78mm or 3" move
    Add a 1" spacer for each rear wheel and another 1" since the profile of the wheel
    is much wider and I'll be increasing the width of the rearend by almost 11"

     

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