so i put my gts back together and i went to start her and no go. I think im grounding out. Where are all the grounds for a 5sfe? I think theres one on the driver side of the head but i cant find a wire.
Well the only spot I can think of is on top of the tranny and thats for a 4th gen GTS/Trac but it is more or less in the area in question. I do believe it runs straight to the -'ve battery terminal.
Put car in neutral. (you seem to have alot of bad luck so you may also want to have someone press the clutch down) Run a jumper wire from +12v to the starter terminal(not the big terminal with the nut (red X) but the small plug terminal(circled in green)) If the starter cranks then the engine is grounded okay
you mentioned the dizzy. did you put the rotor in backwards? cant remember if that wouldnt start it but yeah. all power there?
rotor is on correct. this is what i was talking about. Also, the starter thats in the car was the one in the alltrac, so i know it works. Long story short, i switched the 2. Does it matter if i use a copper nut on the starter? cuz i kinda didn't. Where the hell do u get ur diagrams and such st165?
Any nut will do, a copper nut may transfer the electricity a little more efficently but a steel nut will get the job done. They may use copper so the nut doesn't rust and seize on the thread cause you dont want to twist the treaded part the nut threads onto or you'll break the wire inside. Most of my picture come from the 1988 Toyota Factory Repair Manual (BGB) which I am scanning and posting down in the technical section. Toyota Celica 1988 Repair Manual (RM071U) If its a picture of a part someone wants to buy I use Toyota's EPC (electronic parts catalogue) for pics and part numbers
.... what happens if the stud was loose and twisted??? What would be a fix besides buying a new starter?
I would look down in the technical section ST162 Starting System It should show you the whole starter
It's probably ok I think inside is a "L" shaped piece of metal that it holds in place. Thats the best pic I have but I can't really see inside
If the starter didn't turn over with that test then either the starter is dead or the engine isn't grounded. Take a set of jumper cables and connect one end of 1 of the cables to the -'ve battery terminal and connect the other end of the same cable to any good metal part of the engine/trans. Then try to jump it again with the +12v wire. A good ground point would be one of the 2 bolts that holds the starter in place. If the starter does not work with this setup then replace the starter, or at least remove it and perform the starter tests in the technical section.
Well the sound you hear now is the starter motor spinning but the solenoid has not pushed the starter gear into the flywheel. The 12 volt test was a stand alone test. You did not need the key in the ignition. When you applied 12 volts to the starter it should have turned over. I don't know why it all of a sudden turned on while you wern't there. Is it possible the starter was frozen. By applying 12 volts to it you may have warmed it up enough for the frozen part to thaw and start working.
??? wut do u mean? ST165- Im guessing the starter might of been frozen but now its just free spinning inside the starter. I guess im just gonna have to get a new one, correct?
Well I took another pic of the inside of the solenoid section. Lets review the wiring because your starter motor should not run unless the solenoid is engaged. Connector # 1 should have a big fat wire running to the starter motor, blue wire bottom right hand corner of first pic. Connector # 2 should have a big fat wire running to the 12v battery terminal. Connector # 3 should have a wire running to the starter relay (ignition switch). This is the connector you should have run a jumper wire from the 12v battery terminal too. So the basic principal of operation is as follows. You turn the ignition switch to start and 12v is sent to terminal # 3. This in turn causes the solenoid to close which should do 2 things. 1 the plunger shown in the 3rd pic should push starter gear out so it makes contact with the fly wheel and at the same time the plunger should come into contact with the copper plates connected to both connectors 1 & 2 allowing the 12v from connector # 2 to flow through to connector # 1 allowing the starter motor to spin. So if the plunger is working you will have to figure out why the starter gear is not engaging the flywheel. If the plunger is not working you will have to figure out why the starter motor is running. Simplest way to test it is to remove it and get a set of jumper cables. connect +'ve jumper cable to connector # 2. connect -'ve jumper cable to any part of the metal casing. Get a piece of wire and jump it between connectors # 2& 3. The starter gear should pop out and the motor should turn it.
