Is this my problem Guys? Dizzy rotor alignment-See 1st post

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We seem to have found the problem. My dizzy rotor sits at about 4-5 o clock with the motor at TDC. St165's sits at 7 o clock with the motor at TDC. Will this cause my timing to be wrong? My cams, crank pulley, cam pulleys etc all line up correctly, except the dizzy rotor. How can I fix this?

Thanks guys

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St165, any chance you could get me some pics of the dizzy used in those pics of that 3SGE?

Mainly want to see how the rotor mount and the bit that goes into the cam align relatively to each other...

My rotor points at the firewall basically when the slots that go into the cam are horizontal, with the big side pointing down. Cheers

 

Just removed the dizzy and tried to get it to line up...no good.

The manual says the slots should line up on the dizzy to be slid into the camshaft hole. They cant line up while the dizzy forks are vertical to fit into the cam, and the cam is vertical as its at TDC. The rotors still way away from the contact for the 1st wire.

So im thinking, wrong dizzy or cap. Dizzy should be right tho, its a toyota one, has 3S-GE on it,

The cap however is an aftermarket one i put on with my new leads. Need to find out if its actually for my car, and actually has the contacts the same. Seems like it would though.

I dont know what im missing....

 

http://www.st165-all-trac.net/st162manu ... %20017.jpg

This picture shows how the holes should align....they dont while the dizzy can physcially bolt up...

 

I was wrong, it does physically go in, however the only way I can position it seems to have the rotor tip pointing roughly 180 degres away from the number 1 cylinder with the cam and the crank at TDC for compression.
There is some play in the fork that fits the dizzy to the intake cam, and it seems like it could have been placed on backwards which seems to be all I can find. I grabed another dizzy but have not compared it yet.

 

@ Mafix...Huh? lol.

The cam gear, on the end of the cam itself, has a pin? The cam gears line up in the right position. Do you mean the cam gears actually rotate on the cam itself?

 

If the cam gear is rotatable on the cam itself, then it would appear that the cam is upside down.Then releasing the belt tension, and inverting the cam would have it in the correct position for the dizzyy to go in the right way. At the moment, th dizzy basically will only go in 180 degrees wrong...

Im surprised the car drives as well as it does

 

Mafix, you hit the nail on the head. Pulled off the valve covers, and while the cam gears are aligned, the cams are all over the joint. I know that the cams should sit symmetrically upright together, mine dont, plus the intake cam driving the dizzy is way wrong. The cams need to be rotated so that the dizzy goes in the right position on the intake cam, and then the exhaust cam set to match it, and the pulleys set to show proper alignment on them at that point. The haynes manual says that each cam should have a notch to line up with a drill hole in the bearing cap, but doesnt, so il have to do it the above way.

So can I simply undo the bolts holding the pulleys to the cams, will I then be able to turn the cams and leave the pulleys in place, align the cams to the right place then put the bolt back through? This would involve using the belt to hold the pulleys still, the manual warns against this tho, whats the problem with doing so?

Otherwise I have to take out the engine mount to release the tension....

Either way will i be able to turn the cams by hand with the pulleys detached?

Need to get this back 2getha by 2moz nite....

 

St165, just saw the pics u showed sterling of that head. Were the cams aligned right? How do I know that they are aligned right?

Mine have no notches, unlike those in the book...

I think it looks roughly like those in those pictures though.....

 

These pics show the position of the cams and the dizzy rotor. As you can see, the rotor is about 90 degrees away from where yours is at TDC. Both the cam gears show that the cams are aligned, making me think the cams gears are on wrong, as the cams obviously arent aligned right. How do I know when they are though? there should be notches on the ends....

Kind of confused at wtf has been done here!

 

Ok, after seeing the pics of St165's toasted GE head at TDC, everything looks identical. My cams sti exactly the same, except the dizzy still wont go in correctly. The rotor points down, and thats at TDC. I dont understand this, the cam appears to be in the right place, yet the dizzy will only go in in the incorrect position!?

 

Mine is sitting at aboyut 4 or 5 o'clock, with the cams looking identically positioned to yours. WTF? only thing I can think of now is the rotor end of the dizzy is on wrong....I have another dizzy, so il check that...

Any ideas?

My timing is definitely wrong because of this though, do you agree?

 

Bump, want to get this fixed so i can do a few other things and post a nice update!