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any body have a spare engine they can take pictures of?

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by Sterling, Nov 30, 2007.

  1. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    If you can then do a compression test on the engine. That may tell us quite a bit.
     
  2. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    my dads friend is coming over, and hes a mechanic, hes bringing a compression tester, but that will be in one to 3 weeks.... so when my dad gets home (today) ill check the clearances and if they are greater then ill have to fix that....how?

    and if they are correct, then ill remove the fuel rail. and do a compression test when dads freind comes over.
     
  3. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well on a GTS head if I remember correctly it uses shims (little round disks like small hockey pucks) that are different thicknesses. So if the clearances are too great then you will have to take out the old shim and put in a new thicker shim.

    Well I remember you saying before that you had some compression in at least 1 cylinder

    so if you have even half decent compression in all cylinders and spark and the timing is correct it has to be fuel related (i've even heard of the engine having very low compression in one cylinder and still running fine). If you say you can't smell gas after cranking the engine check back at the mufler. It should be pumping out unburnt fuel and air, I think you should be able to smell fuel if the injectors are shooting any into the cylinders.
     
  4. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    um check the muffler,, ok ill do that now... as for the shims the clearance is perfect. so thats nto a problem, but i think my timing has come off again... ffs its hard to set.

    dad came home with a compression tester, and nothing shows up. on no1 cylinder...havent checked the rest.
     
  5. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    If the timing belt has slipped again then it's an issue you HAVE TO FIX. You don't want to get the engine started and have it jump and have the piston smash a valve. There is no way it should be slipping unless the camshaft bearings are way to tight or a valve is stuck closed or the belt isn't tensioned properly.
     
  6. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    If theres a piston in the cylinder it should register something ?
     
  7. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

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    You need to loosen the No. 1 idler pulley set bolt and tighten the belt some more and re torque the set bolt to 32 ft lb(43Nm) Step 22
     
  8. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    ok i did it agian,

    cylinder one : 10 PSI
    cylinder two : 10 PSI
    cylinder three : 10 PSI
    cylinder four : 25 PSI

    this is very very shocking.......


    as for the smell of gas, i can smell petrol/gas from the muffler and from the spark plug holes
     
  9. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I'm pretty sure you should be around 120 -130 psi
     
  10. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Got any good pics of the cylinders before you put the head back on.

    You said you had coolant coming out of the exhaust when you bought the car ?
     
  11. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Okay Compression Test

    1) remove all 4 spark plugs
    2) unplug the cold start injector
    3) unplug the 4 fuel injectors
    4) floor the gas pedal and crank the engine for 2-3 seconds
    5) take the highest reading the guage gave you.

    Try pouring a teaspoon of new motor oil into the cylinder through the spark plug hole and do the test again. If the pressure increases your rings or cylinder walls are damaged.
     
  12. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    um the only picture i have is in "gallery" and its my engine bay with no head,

    and when i bought the car, there was cooling dripping out of the muffler and it idle'd rough.
     
  13. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    um
    i put some oil in the bore and the compression test went up to 80-90 PSI on all four.
     
  14. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    im guessing this means i need new piston rings?
     
  15. XR Pilot

    XR Pilot Well-Known Member

    Actually I would consider 150psi a low result. My '86 SX has 170psi minimum and my white lightning had 200psi across all 4.

    Sterling - You've got issues man. I hope that the tester is wrong, or was used incorrectly - otherwise :shock:
     
  16. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    well i tested it on my dads rebuilt jaguar 6 cylinder, worked correctly

    meh i dont really care i guess ill just have to sell the car, too much for new rings, valves, or overall head/engine rebuild, ive been getting the thirst for a rwd car anyway.
     
  17. XR Pilot

    XR Pilot Well-Known Member

    Did the compression tester seal properly in the cylinder, no leakage around the spark plug hole?

    Your low compression could also be caused by the valves being held open from incorrect cam timing - all the compression may be being blown back through the inlet or exhaust. Did you ever get the TDC marks to line up properly on cylinder 1? If you haven't fixed this yet than do that first.
     
  18. XR Pilot

    XR Pilot Well-Known Member

    Actually I've been thinking about this, to get compression results that low your engine would have practically exploded inside, even worn rings would give at least 100psi result. The low compression is all caused by your cams. Have you re-shimmed all the valve clearances when you swapped cams? Did you re-fit the cam caps back on where they came from (didn't mix sides or swap them around)?
     
  19. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well that sucks. I wish you lived a bit closer. I'd give you either a 3sge block or a complete 3sgte engine which needs the turbo rebuilt/replaced.

    I would have even considered trading you the celica for my 85 supra(rwd) once I got the floor finished.

    XR Pilot I quoted 120-130psi because that is the minimum value and a compression test is suposed to be done with a warm engine so his readings are going to be a bit lower with a cold engine. If he can put oil in the cylinders and bring the pressure up from 10 psi to 80-90psi then he definetely has cylinder problems. When Sterling bought the car the previous owner had
    so I can pretty much bet the car was driven by the previous owner with coolant in the cylinders so I'm betting the rings and cylinder walls are not a pretty picture.
     
  20. Sterling

    Sterling Guest

    hmm thanks for the info st165 lol i would have loved to live back in canada just for that lol

    um alright, ill keep the car, just lost a bit of hope there for a second....

    and yeh after the head gasket AND head starting burning coolant the bores probably arent good, but the pistons dont have slap so thats one good thing.

    um ive decided, that i have to choices, i can take off my cams... and put the old shims back in, but im not sure if i still have all of them, the car parts are in a shed remember....see how many i can find tommorow.... OR i can put the origonal cams back in place....the GTE cams.....

    ive decided to sell the car anyway, but to get it running, this sounds like a bad thing to all you celica guys lol, but ill have you know, i really like this car, its sleek, unique headlights, some performance,... but my neighbours friend is selling a ford cortina turbo... very nice car.. for around $1000....and since i jsut got $1800 it seems i will have 2 cars.

    and who knows, after i get the celica driving, i might even find i really like the celica...
     

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