Hey guys, I just put in a new Rad and hoses into my 88 All-trac. After driving for about an hour the temp gauge indicated that it was starting to over heat. I checked under the hood and I noticed 2 things 1. I heard a high pitched whistle coming from behind the Alternator. 2. The overflow tank had released a fair amount of coolant. After i got it home i checked the car again after it cooled down for a few minutes. Now the car seems to have trouble turning over (this wasn't happening before. also when i first turned it on it was spitting out white exhaust. which had a sweet smell. I checked the radiator write up from stig. and i am now worried that it may be a head gasket problem. I am hopping to check the thermostat once the car cools down Any suggestions or tips? has anyone experienced this before
well the noise could be a shot belt, pully, pump ect.... as for white smoke ima put money on the hg.. check your oil, if its milky or you have oil in your rad, its a hg,. do a cylinder leakage test. and put the cylinder to the 160 odd psi (as per the gauge) on tdc, compression stroke, take off the cap, if you see bubbles... guess what . . .
ugh, well guess i'll have to park the Trac for a bit and put the GTS back on the road. so does anyone have a rough idea on what it would cost to fix? (Its a holiday today and my mechanic isn't working)
quite a pretty penny if a shop is doing it. i would imagine anywhere from 1500 and up. sorry to hear that.
93 dollars for a hg from partsource, id recommend a full top end kit, and diy. BUT if your car blew the head, it blew it for a reason, the head is probably warped now, and will need to be machined down. you may get away with just slapping it back together, but it wont last.
@_@ I am a bit of a weekend warrior when it comes to car repairs, And am willing to look at doing this myself. I know this would not be an ideal situation but would it be posible to do without removing the engine from car? Thanks for all the help guys
Yes you can do it without removing the motor but not advisable unless you want to do it again soon. The heads warp very easily when overheated - needs to be skimmed flat The block warps around #3 cylinder - ditto While it's out, its probably a good idea to recon the whole motor
>.< sigh wish this could have waited until next summer when i planned to have the time money and tools, and place for a rebuild :x guess life just doesn't work out that way. Thanks for all the help guys and i guess i have a bit of thinking to do.
Well it may not be so bad How many ks has it done? Is it the original gasket & seals? How bad did it overheat? If it's the original gasket (they turn to snot after 20yrs), the motor has low ks and the motor was switched off as it overheated - then I'd say take a chance on the gasket and new seals
The engine only has 207,xxx K on it as for the temp gauge, it didn't even hit the red line, as soon as it started to rise past 7/8 i turned the car off to let it cool (i was watching it pretty close as i had just switched in a new rad and wanted to make sure i had no leaks) At this point i am not sure if its the original seals or not, I have only owned the car for a week, and the prior owner didn't seem to keep records of anything done to the car. :evil: as i don't need to have the car up and running right away, I am going to price out my options. Thanks again for all the advice you guys are awesome
Looks like i am going to be doing the HG myself, I am hoping to get the head off this weekend, then I can take it into a shop to get milled.
make sure you pop off the head bolts in the right order, or you risk warping the head even further. do this for the cams as well, for the same reason, yes cams can warp too. it takes alot of doing to warp the block. but checking for flatness with a straight edge and a feeler gauge wont hurt. take your time with this, it can be f-d up pretty easy. make sure your parts are kept in order and nice and clean.
well i didn't get far enough to get the head off, but i feel like i made some good progress. I have a freind bringing his impact wrench over next week to get off those stubron bolts
A good upgrade while you are doing this, is to invest in some ARP head bolts, but its a bit of a ball ache, torquing them up, Mafix and me chatted bout this a while back, will dig out the info for you. Have done both head change with engine in and with it out, Out is far far easier if you have access to a engine crane. Got to say, it would be good to know why your HG popped. Is car running standard boost, how new is the water pump, etc the two reasons mine went pop were. First time, the new re con head I fitted, had a tiny warp :? my bad, should off had block and head sorted before matching them. 2nd time, head lifted, due to either a boost spike, or ARP bolts torqued wrongly. IMO its very worth while finding out what went wrong. get a good quality gasket set, its worth changing the cambelt / tensioners and water pump at the same time. Make sure that you use the right gaskets for both manifolds, I used inferior non metal gaskets for one, no end of issues. great time to get your injectors cleaned now all the connectors are different, so its not to bad a job with the electrics. HTH
Unfortunately I believe the head gasket went before I got the car. (I have only had it for a month, and only driven it for about 1 hour. When i bought the car the Radiator needed replacing (It was gushing coolant), I Put in a new radiator and took it out for a test, was when I noticed the head gasket problem. If I had the place, I would have pulled the engine, however Living in an apartment that isn't possible, I am just glad my landlord will let me work on the engine at all ^^ From what I can tell the car is running Stock boost, (it is the Stock turbo, and i didn't see any modified or added parts) Thanks for all the advice
arw nuts mate, just read your car thread. Sounds like it was the rad, even with a stock car, the stock rads are poor. Make sure you get that head skimed and re surfaced if it checks out okay. chances are its like a banana. also check the top of the block, make sure thats straight and true. I will keep my fingers crossed that you dont uncover any further nasties.