New 88 Celica Owner with multiple questions…

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by 5678tyui, Dec 28, 2007.

  1. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    Beginning mechanic here, so please don’t feel reluctant to explain in the simplest of terms, thanks.


    Q1. I would like to disengage the beeper that sounds off when the door opens (makes me nervous). I know the beepers located near the driver side relay box, but where precisely (I do have a Haynes manual)? Or simply, how would you disengage the beeper?

    Q2. Regarding the heat absorption mattress pad that’s attached to the underside of the hood, is there a specific tool that removes those round plastic inserts holders? Or should I tear them off, discard, and replace them? They easy to find?

    Q3. I’m going down to the wrecking yard tomorrow and wondering if should look for a certain part. The situation is this: I’m having a hard time figuring if the center console panel (where the radio and heater are) is the right color. My Celica convertible is black exterior, gray/black interior, but the center console looks like it could be a dark navy blue. I bought my car a month ago, so I don’t know the history. I removed the panel and the otherside (or inside?) sure enough is a navy blue. Still from the outside it’s hard to tell. Sometimes it’s hard to to tell if all the panels are navy blue, but I think there suppose to be black. Maybe someone put on a navy blue center panel and darken it with black polish. Can anyone comment or offer insight?

    Q4. Just went 270 mpg on a full tank. What’s the fuel tank capacity, again? Perhaps importantly, what are the recommendations for increasing mpg?



    Thanks again.
     
  2. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    pics :D plz
     
  3. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    I disengaged the electrical connector inside the door jam. I took off the louvered black plastic panel and there's a connector inside. Unplug it and you will lose the cabin light triggered by the door opening but it was worth it to have that annoying beeping stopped. I haven't actually determined which wires to clip in order to stop the beeping but this works in the meantime.

    A car upholstery/trim tool (looks like a split-fork screwdriver) pops them off without damaging them. You can get replacement holders but the trim tool only costs $4 or less, so breaking and replacing is not cost-effective; just buy the tool.

    I'm assuming you have an 88-89 Celica. My understanding is that the black interior pieces on the 88-89 Celicas are actually a dark navy colour with black applied over top from the factory. The 86-87 Celicas with grey interiors are a significantly lighter shade of grey. I'd just go get a 'black' one from an 88-89; when you see the actual blue interior, it's actually quite easy to distinguish between the two interior colours. The white Celicas all have blue interiors; take a look and you see what the real blue looks like.

    Capacity is 60 litres or 15.9 gallons. I get minimum of 500 kilometers or 312 miles per tank with a moderately aggressive driving style. A tune-up with new spark plugs, proper tire inflation, steady driving manner, etc, all contribute to better mpg.

    Now, you got any more questions?!
    LOL, just kidding, you are most welcome.
    Glad to have you aboard
     
  4. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    This is too cool. Thanks for that information reply.

    I already feel more confident to conquer the wrecking yard tomorrow.

    :)
     
  5. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    as for mpg, you got about 17 mpg, thats very low. I would say a new O2 Sensor could be what you need, maybe MAF. Running 34psi in the tires, driving at about 95km freeway and mixed with some city and running a fuel with 5% ethane (89), I got 30+mpg out of my GT-S. I ranged from 26-30+ mpg with it now, driving it nicely most of the time.
     
  6. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks.

    Yes, 17 mpg is very low. As I mention earlier, I'm going to the wrecking yard this weekend.

    Would you recommend me getting or removing an O2 sensor or MAF? Is it difficult to remove and install? So that you know, I haven't a clue what either looks like. I do, however, have a haynes manual which I'll have with me.

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    More questions, if you don't mind.

    The heater not working. I'm aware of the part (located underneath the hood, at the bottom of the windshied, passenger side) that has a wire attachment that moves or turns, but it does not move when the heaters turned on. I removed the heater/ac unit, looked behind and hoped to find a mechanical obvious correction, but as you may know it was all electric. I wish I had more time to do diagnostics but the 50% off wrecking yard sale is ending this weekend. Therefore, I'm tempted to pull a heater unit, but then again, I'd rather figure out why this heater not heating. Any ideas?

    Likewise, my stereo speakers not sounding. The stereo turns on, cassette deck works, radio seems to work, antenna go up, but the speakers don't speak (or sound). There are indeed speakers, two of them atleast (have not verified the rears). I removed and looked behind the stereo. The wires seem connected, none are visibly dangling unconnected, and the fuses all work. The wiring is a little messy but I would think atleast one speaker is connected properly. Is there a fuse particular to the speakers or are they powered by the stereo? Again, any ideas are appreciated.

    Last question, the trunk of the car does not stay open. Is this a matter of getting new hydraulic struts?

    Thanks.
     
  7. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    O2 sensor is mounted right on the exhaust manifold for the 86-87 Celicas. On the 88-89, it's mounted underneath the front exhaust pipe, you have to crawl underneath to reach it. What year is your Celica?

    Heater problem is very common but lucky for you, we've done the research and have the solution:
    http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/board ... er+problem

    Stereo, can't help you with that right now but for the trunk, yes, you need new struts.
     
  8. Youds

    Youds Well-Known Member

    the tank doesnt take 15.9 gallons...................................... but ok follow factory specs do your mpg estimates properly ;p
     
  9. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    That's what it says in the factory manual: 15.9 gallons/60 litres. Can you explain what you mean?
     
  10. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    My Celicas an 88.

    Therefore I'll try to remove an O2 sensor at the yard. Thanks.
     
  11. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    Its probably best to get a new one, you never know when you go to the wreckers if they one you pull is gonna be worse than what you already have. They can be a little pricey but it will probably add like 10mpg per tank if the one you have is truly off. Check your tire pressure too. If you pull out your spark plugs it can give you a baseline on how the engine is running, if you do this post some pics of them and we can help you out

    Good luck
     
  12. schmooot

    schmooot Well-Known Member

    ideally you are better off buying a new o2 sensor...unless the one on the vehicle looks like it has been recently replaced. The MAF is the black and gray unit on top of your air intake filter that has your intake tube coming out of it. Getting it out is pretty straight forward
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    mine had the same problem and it was a broken lever. Pushing the temp control slider moves a servo just behind the panel, that servo turns a lever which the cable you are referring to is attached. That lever is usually broken...it is behind the panel just to the left of the glovebox...you can usually spot it by kneeling down in the footwell and peering behind the console. Mine has been broken forever and I just manually open the valve in the engine bay in the fall and close it in the summer

    if everything is wired properly behind the stereo I would look behind a couple of the speakers and verify that the connector is plugged in. It is always possible for the audio amp inside the stereo to blow and it will still work but have no audio. Is it a stock deck or aftermarket?? is the wiring behind it all stock or is it a stereo adaptor or has it been hacked to pieces and spliced? Your haynes manual will have a schematic in the back that will tell you all the colors for the speakers. Another thing you could do is locate the wires behind the stereo for one of the speakers and connect a 9 volt battery to it....if the speaker makes a noise and the cone moves out/in then it is wired properly and the stereo is at fault

    yup
     
  13. schmooot

    schmooot Well-Known Member

    15.9 is the capacity...but your fuel pump pickup sits well above the bottom of the tank so there is always a gallon or so in the tank even when the car dies from lack of fuel.


    To get a proper estimate you need to fill the tank right up and then reset your trip odometer. Then when it is empty fill up again and make a note of how many gallons you put in this time (it will definitely be less than 15.9) and how many miles you have driven. Then it is just a matter of simple math.....divide how many miles you drove by how many gallons you used. It is best to do this with a few tanks to get a good average
     
  14. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    Ok, I understood - that's how I get my mileage. I usually keep driving after teh fuel light comes on b/c I know I've got a reserve gallon.
     
  15. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    Ok... just came back from the wrecking yard and got the following parts:

    - engine hood heat absorption pad (installed). Thanks Rick89GTS for recommending the trim tool. Indispensable. That tool always seemed to be in my hand.
    - center console panel
    - trunk struts
    - little odds and ends

    It was a good day.

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    Well, as you may imagine, as the day moved on, more questions arose. May I?


    Q1. Perhaps a simple question. What's the better way to clean/polish the dash board or panels? I would also like to know how to clean the inside and outside door handles. They now have a white chalky/waxy/filmy substance on them. I can scatch it off with my fingernail but I would like to know how to get it looking it's best. Then, I can decide whether to consider some nice looking handles I saw at the wrecking yard. Lastly, did I hear that Armor All has a negative consequence in the long run, drying up the material or something? Please correct as I may easily have misunderstood.

    Q2. As explained earlier, the 'black' interior console panels are actually blue treated at the factory. My black panels are showing areas of blue. What treatment can I use to darken these panels to black again?

    Q3. The passenger window button is not working. Should I remove and clean the contact points? Easy thing to do? Is this likely the problem?

    Q4. Let me see if I can explain this. When I looked at another Celica, I noticed that covering a worn out area on a panel was a sheet of identical panel material. In otherwords, this sheet of same texture and design of a panel and was glued or adhesively put over the worn area. It was done well and I could hardly notice it. Question: Can these sheets be purchased? Or was this material that was cut out of some other panel? How is it put on, glue, adhesively?

    Q5. Similiarly to my first question, how would I clean, polish, or restore the front grill on the car? My grill seems to be fading and I wonder if I should consider a nicer one seen at the wrecking yard.

    I feel in debt. Sincerely, thanks all.
     
  16. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    hey yeah for the grill , did they come out black in factory mine looks kind of grey lol or is it supposed to be that color
     
  17. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hi New Zealand,

    Yes, from an earlier post in this thread it was learned that the navy blue panels were factory treated to be black. The following is what was written:


    "I'm assuming you have an 88-89 Celica. My understanding is that the black interior pieces on the 88-89 Celicas are actually a dark navy colour with black applied over top from the factory. The 86-87 Celicas with grey interiors are a significantly lighter shade of grey. I'd just go get a 'black' one from an 88-89; when you use the actual blue interior, it's actually quite easy to distinguish between the two interior colours. The white Celicas all have blue interiors; take a look and you see what the real blue looks like."
     
  18. XR Pilot

    XR Pilot Well-Known Member

    Yup, its worth a try. Worked for me :) Note that you need to clean the internal contacts of the switch. If you take your time the switch body clips apart with some gentle prying from a flat bladed screwdriver.

    Theres no debt to be paid here, we're all just friendly Celica nuts :) Where are you from? If you put the location in your profile you may find there may be another Celica owner close by.

    Rick - The Aussie Celica's never had those beeper things :D
     
  19. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    You're lucky, the beeping is very annoying. Maybe they thought North Americans were dumber and needed a reminder to close the door before driving away ;)
     
  20. schmooot

    schmooot Well-Known Member

    this first thing I do when I buy a car is reach under the dash and rip out that damned beeper
     

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