car won't shift to 4th when start up

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by draztik_celica, Jan 31, 2008.

  1. everytime i start the car first time in the morning and start driving, the car takes a while to shift at fourth gear (A/T). but by the time the oil temp needle goes to the middle, it shifts normally from 1st-4th gear. is this normal for the celica? trans oil was changed last year. and engine oil was changed every 3k miles.

    i warmed up the car first thing in the morning, but only for a couple of mins. i never wait for the oil temp to go normal (needle is in the middle)..

    is this normal for the celica

    1988 st
    172k miles


    thanks
     
  2. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    I know the auto echo will stay in 3rd till the car is warm. I think that normal
     
  3. wow! if it is normal, then the car consumes more gas first thing in the morning then. thanks for the info.
     
  4. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    ive heard some older mr2s do it as well
     
  5. Ant1

    Ant1 Well-Known Member

    Yep, its exactly the same with my auto ST162.
     
  6. ssscorpin110

    ssscorpin110 Guest

    it should actually save gas depending on how long your drive is. the engine is most efficient when its warm, the car doesnt shift into 4th so it runs higher RPM making it warmer faster. so in the long run it actually saves you gas since your spending a higher percentage of your time driving with a warm engine. does the trans also shift short? so it doesnt really let u get above say 4000RPM? cauz it does that until the engine is warmer in the corolla so just curious.
     
  7. i can get it above to 4k rpm on 3rd gear. but cruising at 40mph in 3rd gear, the rpm is in the 2,800 range


    thanks for the help.
     
  8. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    Completely normal. My 3sfe does that. Basically, it keeps you from running the engine too high, before it's warm! If the engine isn't warm, there is less chance, of you brining something up. It's an older car, start her up in the morning, go get yourself a cup of coffee, and let her warm up! ;) I like to wait at least a minute or two before I put her in drive. I'm more worried about my idle being at about 1500 for the time, that the car isn't warm... I never noticed it when I got it, then again, the temperature was warmer... I would assume, this is the engine's way of warming up as fast as it can, just like us rubbing our hands together, and creating some warmth, through friction... Is this right, or normal?
     
  9. Dman_23

    Dman_23 Guest

    Auto transmissions do that in a lot of vehicles, not just Toyotas, it's completely normal. Letting it warm up properly in cold weather will help.

    High idle in cold weather is completely normal as well. The engine warms up faster by creating more combustion, and keeps itself from running rough/stalling.
     
  10. rye

    rye Well-Known Member Donated!

    ALL car's rev higher and idle higher when cold.

    Geeeze.

    It's holding his car in 3rd gear MAKING him rev higher, so his engine will warm up faster.

    Not shifting early so it doesnt rev high....
     
  11. ssscorpin110

    ssscorpin110 Guest

    they normally do both if that makes sense... it wont rev too high cauz its bad for a cold engine but it also holds higher revs then normal to get the engine warmer faster.
     
  12. rye

    rye Well-Known Member Donated!

    no it will rev as high as you want if you sit there and floor a cold engine it will redline still

    but it's definetly not good for a cold engine to do that, but im pretty sure there's nothing that prevents you from doing that
     
  13. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    They only thing I could really recommend, is letting the car warm up in the morning, for about 5-10 minutes. ;) Finding that my car isn't broke, priceless... lol I've never owned a brand new car, so I don't know how they act, which is why I asked about the shifting, and higher revving. :) Thanks for that info!
     
  14. ssscorpin110

    ssscorpin110 Guest

    oh really?? i guess that the newer ones must be different. as i said im just going on what a newer corolla does. cauz it doesnt let u hit the red line when you are in drive and the engine is cold.
     
  15. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    all toyota automatic transmissions do this. they will not shift into overdrive until the tranny is up to temp.

    mind boggler: newer ones have a level switch and if you are going uphill, they won't shift.
     
  16. rye

    rye Well-Known Member Donated!

    someone must have blown their car up between 94 and 2000 so they stuck a limiter on when it's cold cuz my 94 doesnt have it
     
  17. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    all usdm cars have both rev and speed limiters.
     
  18. rye

    rye Well-Known Member Donated!

    maf I'm talkin JUST when cold.
     
  19. thanks guys for the info. i really appreciate it. now i know my car is not acting strange.
     

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