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Confused, Sad, Lonely, Need Help!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by retro_celica, Aug 7, 2012.

  1. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    :confused2 Well, yeah^ that's how i feel... lol
    Well, my Celica haves 188,000 miles on it, 3SFE engine. I have'd an oil leak, changed oi pan gasket twice, valve cover gasket, and still leaking. Also, i broke the engine oil thingy to check the oil level. Well, my mechanic told me that he's 95% sure is the front or main seal of the engine. I called the local shop to see prices, and he estimated 500+ for labor plus parts! :O cause the engine had to be taken out of the car.. well, anyway if i do that, i obviously change then both seals.

    Thing is, i don't think paying 500+ just to fix a fucking (Srry) oil leak! and, is not that, thing is is a 3SFE!! if it was a 3sge, beam's or 3sgte it would be a different story!!

    I use the car daily for college, and in the weekends to sometimes go to the local drag strip just to watch, or cruise around.

    I DO like to go fast, i DO race sometimes alone, you know step-on-it. Anyway, is a Sport-Car, like a guy told me here, "is a sport car, is meant to do that, just warm it' up before everything".

    I DO love my car! i love the way it looks, its an old school classic sport car!! the're are like 3 in whole El Paso,Texas! beeing mine one of the cleanest'

    So, (sorry for the long story:eek:) My mechanic told me, it would be better, to just swap the engine, buy another one. He told me turbo is the best way to go, more power etc. And that he can do the swap (its not a shop, but he does haves everything for doing the swap). Well, i live with my parents, and they have been telling me "its an old crappy car, just keep puting oil sometimes, and save an buy another thing" but i DONT want to!! LOL i love the ST162!! SO i may have some issues if they found out im buying a new engine, for my old crappy car :wink.

    SO, i did my research on engine options, and well, i found the obviously 3SGTE, 3SGE, 3SGE Beam's, and another interesting ones, like the 4AGE Black Top, and the 4AGZE Supercharged. I also, have heard that all the 3SGE's will be a direct fit (yeah, i don't want any complicated issues, direct fit is the way to go here). I like the 3SGTE, 1gen or second i heard are the easiest swaps, but... i have had friends that are turbocharged, and they have a lot of issues i don't know! also, im not a fan of turbo.

    But.... the engine of my love :arg is the 3SGE Beam's! OMG that engine! looks awesome, performs awesome and is an naturally aspirated! I like allmotor better (is my way to say, i do NOT need a turbo for beeing fast :p) But also, i have heard that they are kinda complicated engines? and that they blow out :crying??

    So short story, ;), what will be the best engine for me right now? 3SGTE vs 3SGE Beam's? or, it will be better to fix my 140HP 3SFE? :biggrin2
    I need the engine, ecu and harness? that's it? will my 5speed tranny will fit the engine?

    I have found this 2 engines on ebay, and the Beam's haves a low price i think.

    Beam's http://www.ebay.com/itm/TOYOTA-CELI...cessories&hash=item23207882c7#ht_20627wt_1163

    3SGTE http://www.ebay.com/itm/90-93-TOYOT...cessories&hash=item2573cdfbe8#ht_20746wt_1163

    If i decide, i will be buying the engine, maybe in this upcoming months, and doing the swap a little later :)

    Help!


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  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    No need to be sad or lonely, you have friends here who understand and have the same aguments to deal with.

    The $500 is to do the rear seal, if you did it it would be advisable to change the clutch at the same time, I'm sure there are guys who will do it for less tho.
    The rocker, oil, crank seals you can do yourself and save a bunch of cash. It's dauntng for a newbie but doable and very satisfying, the FE is much more user friendly

    My advice is to try seal restorer for now, it may help but realize your seals are already past replacement age
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    Most parents nowdays don't want you messing with your car or the mess in garage, it's sad how society has changed in the last 40yrs,
    so either a dammn good job, a mechanic friend or rent a workspace somewhere (house?) to fulfill your dreams.

    Save for the BEAMS, if you don't like turbo's now - don't go there
    Cheapest would be to rebuild your motor using 5S parts and a later head, cams etc. I don't trust 2nd hand motors, even those with guarantees can work out very expensive to get them 100%.
    Right now you need reliable wheels that don't leave oil marks everywhere and leave the racing for the pro's.

    DO NOT turbo the FE - there is a reason you don't see any on these pages

    Your box will fit those motors
     
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2012
  3. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    Thanks Stig! your tips really really helped me a lOT! i haven't tought about renting a garage or something, i'm definitively doing that!!!

    And yeah, i'm planing on a budget of 1.3K almost.. maybe a little more, so do you think that's enough for rebuild the engine with the 5S parts? like, froma 5SFE? 5SGE? That's for better durability or performance? also, i din't know they sold cams for the 3SFE or that will be for the build of the 3sfe using 5s?

    And yeah, i know about turboing a 3sfe xD LOL

    I will try the Stop Leaks for now, until i talk to the mechanic again to see if i can get a better price.

    I want to fix the engine, but also, a little bit of performance you know?

    Thanks!
     
  4. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    If you decide to swap your engine:
    I recommend the BEAMS, since you want a daily, and don't want to be always afraid of when your turbo is going to s*** itself (this was my point of view as well).
    If you buy the one you posted, you won't have much issues as it's from a Celica and has the wiring loom and ECU, you just need to buy a new MAF, and an aftermarket housing, which has the correct diameter. OEM air boxes are very hard to find and very expensive new.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2012
  5. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    1.3k is nothing if you aren't doing it yourself, you will struggle to recon your motor for that

    Find a late model 5S at the yards (95-), you will need the crank, rods, pistons, oil pump, head, exhaust, inlet etc.
    Those have far wilder cams, better heads, pistons etc. They also have a balancer system you don't need.

    Bore your block to fit the pistons and fit new rings, bearings etc. The head will need a recon to fit new seals and you will have more power and torque than any 3S-GE gen1 on the site plus the reliability that has put Toyota on the map

    Or

    You could recon the spare motor slowly and just swap them around later

    For now I suggest you get the cam side seals replaced (cam, crank, oil pump), it will be a lot cheaper and stop 90% of the leaks.
    When you have enough cash to do the other side be sure to replace the clutch and all the gearbox seals
     
  6. 4thgenceli

    4thgenceli Test Dummy

    Honestly 1300 is LOT to budget for a rebuild. If your pistons/rods are in good shape still, you should easily be able to rebuild the whole engine (with OEM parts) for around 800 bux.

    The 3s-gte I have I 'rebuilt' it for around $400. Every single seal and gasket, pumps, etc. I didn't do the rods/bearings/pistons/rings as they were just fine.
     
  7. Redrkt01

    Redrkt01 Well-Known Member

    Lion, since you are the resident BEAMS specialist would you mind posting about your tuning efforts. Anyone who wants to can put that engine in the ST162 as you did. But to date I haven't met anyone out there that has tried to squeeze more power from it. I'm familiart with the 94-97 3rd Gen and how to tune it. I'm hoping you can enlighten us about tuning the 98-99 3rd Gen.
     
  8. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    I don't have any tuning on my engine :) Well, apart of the Apexy Power filter and the TRD exhaust header, the engine is completely stock. The header was on the engine when I bought it, so I cannot compare that. I also had a SARD Sports EX+ intake, but I swapped it to the oem air box with the Apexy filter, since everyone around the globe is having problems with a modified intake on the BEAMS.

    The whole idea about my swap was to have an engine that's stronger by default, and by not modifying it at all, have a reliable yet powerful daily driver / grand tourer / occasional track happy timer (once I get there).

    There are some guys on the BEAMS community page, who have turbocharged / supercharged projects, but very few of them. There is very small information about the turbo builds (even though there was a Tom's version), however the one supercharged MR2 build is super detailed and the guy invested a LOT of money into it. I mean REALLY a lot, even Toyota itself would be jellous if he would ever show them, it's amazing how much time, precision and care he put into it.

    There is an other guy who tunes NA engines (both guys are australian), he has a BlackTop BEAMS with around 200Kw on the wheels and it revs like 9K. In an old rwd Celica :)
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2012
  9. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    a 5sfe would be easy to source especially in your location, it pops right into your trans, and it would give you the same 135hp from a 3sge, and with more torque! that is already quite an increase from the 115hp 3sfe (no it's not 140hp) that is going to be your cheap fix, but you should do a major service on any motor if you decide to change it while the motor's out. if you want your car to be a daily, a turbo is not what you want. either you go all out and get a 200hp beams, get all the hard to find paraphenelia like the airbox/ex manifold/WIRING, or you go for the 135hp 5sfe, pretty much everything is a direct fit and cheap (and kick my 135hp-but-lower-torque 3sge's ass)

    as for doing it yourself, i was pretty much a motor crane away from pulling the motor the first time i tried doing it. all i had were hand tools, wrenches, breaker bar, and a huge bar to make the breaker bar even better, some jacks and jackstands.
     
  10. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    Thanks eNtrax, i will try to find a 5SFE locally, yeah the 140HP was sarcastic xD

    Beam's would be awesome, but can't buy it right know, i tough i could, but i can't :( So, mechanic told me to do the swap he will charge me $500, and for rebuild my engine $800!
    FUCK i i just know how to i would do it my self! but i don't have the experience, and knowledge, i'm a fast learner, but i don't know i don't dare.

    What would i'd be better & cheap, swap a 5SFE of rebuild my 3SFE with 5SFE parts, or with OEM parts? IF i rebuild the 3SFE with 5SFE parts, will i get some HP increase?

    Thanks guys, you are THE best!!
     
  11. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    Yeah that's why i wanted the Beam's, cause powerful enough for daily. Were can i get the MAF, housing and air box? Can i just use a cold air intake or something?
     
  12. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    I will try to find the 5S at the yards. IF i do this, can you tell me all the parts i need for the rebuild with 5S parts? i'm going to start searching around locally and online.

    Also, the cam seal will be the front seal or rear? or is a different part/place?
     
  13. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    Nice Thanks!!! WOW rebuild with $400!!! :O Tell me your trick master! :D
     
  14. 4thgenceli

    4thgenceli Test Dummy


    Those are completely different. There is a front main seal (goes around the crankshaft on the front side of the motor behind where the crankshaft pulley sits). The rear main seal sits behind the clutch/pressure plate/flywheel assembly on the rear of the motor. The cam seals are on the head and go around the camshafts (behind the cam gears)
     
  15. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    Oh ok thanks man!
    this would be the cam seal? http://www.ebay.com/itm/86-01-Toyot...ies&hash=item3356e0a1de&vxp=mtr#ht_481wt_1185

    what else i would need?
     
  16. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Oil pump seal and O-ring, when was the cambelt changed? Fuel filter?, Oil filter, Air filter?

    There is a huge difference between an engine recon and swapping a few gaskets & seals - the machine work on a head and block alone is around $1000 here
     
  17. Thaifighter

    Thaifighter Well-Known Member

    Story of my life. lol
    You're not the only broke college kid with a broken 'ST162. :p

    Good luck with the "rebuild"! :)
     
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    retro_celica Well-Known Member

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  20. retro_celica

    retro_celica Well-Known Member

    Random Tough:

    OMG I Just Realized I'm A FREAKING SENIOR MEMBER ON ST162.NET :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd HELL YEAH BABY!!!! :p
     

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