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Stig
 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:05 am 
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lol, thats part 8 - the 1988 IMSA pace car replica, 77 made - thankfully they don't actually resemble the actual pace car.

Nothing special about the car apart from grafix, the holy grail I consider a viscous or hydrolok GT4 with Xtrak -
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 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:50 am 
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OK, I'll bite. What the hell is Xtrak? I have not heard of this option.

Sounds like it would be a more advanced AWD system, a la Subaru's symmetrical AWD or something.

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 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:43 am 
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That's part 9 - the TTE Celicas
Xtrak = 6 speed sequential gearbox
Hydroloc = the only diff strong enough to withstand the groupA WRC
Viscous = the diff used in groupN (stock) class

In the meantime here's some reading, I'll paste it over once photobucket starts co-operating again
with the IMSA pics
http://st162.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=5618&p=71555&hilit=TTE#p71555
unfortunately someone wrecked it with oversized and off-topic pics

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 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
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:facepalm Shit, I knew that. Hell, I even have pictures of the Xtrak saved on my disk. It's late (early) here...

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 Post subject: IMSA Pace car replica ST165
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:16 am 
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Part 8 - The 1988 IMSA Pace car replica
For this I'll let an original owner tell the story (borrowed from Alltrac.net)

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One of the 77 1988 IMSA GTO Championship celebration editions prepared by TRD and Mully for each of the Toyota Dealers in So Cal,
1 each, this one I bought from Santa Maria Toyota (when under previous management).

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Excellent car, I am loathe to part with it after exactly 20 years, but need to because I can't justify shipping it Internationally,
especially as it'll be a wrong-hooker over there.

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Here's a few images, there are more photos and details on my website layingback.net.

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The car drives just like it did off the forecourt. Actually a little better as it had the '89 ECU conditional recall upgrade, which cured the part throttle hesitation it initially had,
esp. when cold. The engine and transmission are fine. Every thing works. Some groaning from the new steering belt as noted on my site - needs tightening I'm told.
Wear on the leather gear knob and boot, and the finish is worn off the A/C button. Otherwise everything works as it should.
Oh, and the mechanical speed cable is a tad noisy when cold. And unlike *all* of the ST165s from Northern California Toyota dealers it has ABS brakes -
was living in Bay Area at the time, and had to travel 250 miles to nearest So Cal dealer to get one with ABS. Which is how I ended up with an IMSA edition.

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It's had the usual '88 Toyota and ST165 issues - as detailed on my website - but all were addressed at the time.

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It is still great fun to drive, even with a Supra TT in the garage. And it's a California car so it's not rusty.
As well as ABS, it has almost every other option bar leather seats: 8-way adj driver's seat, AM/FM 4-speaker + sub upgrade,
with EQ, A/C, Cruise, slide/tilt power sunroof, mats.

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For IMSA history buffs, the 77 cars were replicas of the Long Beach Grand Prix (CART) pace car. Each So Cal dealer had to buy one to fund the pace car.
Each dealer owner got to drive "their" car around the Long Beach track behind the pace car for 3 laps before the main event, and then home to their dealership.


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Of the 77 cars, I know one was shipped from Bay Area to Portugal and wrapped around a telephone pole, and I have personally seen 5 others on the road in California.

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 Post subject: TTE Celica ST165
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:38 am 
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Part 9 - The TTE Celica ST165

Started in the early 1970's in London by Ove Anderson to build Corolla,s/Celica's.
The factory ended up in Germany in the 1980's and was re-named Toyota Team Europe (TTE)
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The team story is interesting but that's another article to folllow?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Motorsport_GmbH

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Some research into a 1991 GT4 Group A WRC car revealed some interesting facts - looks like the same car? - wrong!

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This ex-Sainz car was sold in 2001 for an undisclosed sum to an un-named buyer.

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What is freaky is that the car was used only once - In Corsica in 1991 - and IT WON!
The car was NEVER used again, considering that Sainz had Engine failures and electrical failures that year,
I find it incredible that a winning car would be parked up and left intact while
Juha Kankunnen went on to win the World championsip that year.

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TTE was later involved (and banned) in the infamous "spring-loaded inlet restrictor cheat" incident in the late 1990's
and had already started preparing to build F1 cars for the FIA F1 World Championship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Racing

All the while, the ex-rally cars were kept in storage and sold to wealthy collectors.
That Toyota could afford to build a car per driver, per race is hardly believable, but the truth is often stranger than fiction.
How many cars were built and how many are around is the question, probably a lot more around than we would think?
Looking at photos of the cars during rallies, it seems that each one was custom built to suit the event.

Under construction - 6/7 cars in this pic - Celica's and Supra's
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The office, drivers were allowed their own choice of seats/belts/pedals/steering
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X-TRAC gear lever setup - yes, gears are sequential!
The two extra levers appear to be anti-roll adjusters and there is a F-R
brake balance dial on the dash
(I may be mistaken as it could also be a diff bias adjuster)
Note the detent lock for reverse gear as well
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Gearbox is also X-TRAC, sequential, 6 speeds and available as Viscous or Hydroloc couplings
They typically sell used for around 13 000 Euros
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Stack Rev rounter along with Stack LCD gauges for the driver -
These were the bollocks in those days with pre-set warnings on all functions
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Parked among the competition - 1991 Portugeuse Rally
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Well, there may have been other Rallies where bars and slim lights were required as well,
ie Australia? (bong bars!)
African winner
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The rest
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The front brakes - calipers are even bigger than those fitted to the ST205
Struts are custom fabricated for strength
Disks are heavily drilled
No adjustable coilover system, suspensions were built to suit each event
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The rear brakes
Calipers are almost as large
No drum handbrake - hydralic
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 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:07 am 
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just an addition to the post above:

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Stig
 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:26 am 
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Oops, that's not a TTE car but a customer replica GroupN car - check the wheel studs and lookalike grafix, black vents etc
Not worth anything I'm afraid - (in collectors terms)

Count the studs
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Another replica seen in NZ
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By far the best Sainz pic i've seen.

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 Post subject: Re: Stig's WTF gallery - Rare and unusual ST16x's
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:58 pm 
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oh true that. my bad....but good photography aye ? :)

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 Post subject: IMSA Celica Racer
PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:41 am 
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Part 10

The IMSA GTO Celica ST162

Only one running car remains, it is the property of All American Racers and used at selected shows.
And NO - it's not for sale!

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In the early 1980's, AAT - All American Racing (owned and run by the legendary Dan Gurney) was contracted by
Toyota to compete in the North American IMSA GTO series (now known as PSCR)
In the early years (80-86) Celica's and Supra's with conventional chassis were campaigned with limited success.

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The new car for 1987 was based on the new Celica ST162 chassis,
but featured a NASCAR type tube chassis and extensive carbon fibre bodywork and panels.

This car is literally worth it's weight in gold
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The dry sump and dual ignition system
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The gearbox in the car is believed to have been rear-mounted to help weight distribution
Any info or pics regarding the motor and gearbox are most welcome
The rear mounted gearbox, fuel tank and F1 type suspension, look at the size of those calipers and rotors!!
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Gears appear to be sequential, 9000-11000rpm rev limit
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The engine was based on the 3S-GTE road car engine and developed by AAR in conjuction with Toyota, TRD and Yamaha and re-named the 503E.

503E Engine specs (unconfirmed)
Bore - 89mm
Stroke - 86mm
Compression - 7.0/1
Boost - ? (must have been crazy? 60psi+)
Capacity - 2140cc
Power - 560hp (later Le mans & JGTC versions made 680hp with restictors fitted)
Torque - 471 ft.lbs @ 5500rpm
Lubrication - Dry sump
Drive - Rear wheels

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Against the bigger V8 engined cars, the Celica stood little chance on paper, however on the track the lightweight Celica
with it's superior handling and braking was more than a match on any track with more than 2 corners.
At first the bodywork was the fastback shape and later (on the same chassis) a carbon fibre coupe rear section was fitted (IMSA rule change?)

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1987 was the high-water mark for GTO Celicas, as they won the driver's championship with Chris Cord, and the manufacturer's championship.
On the road to that accomplishment, AAR scored eight wins out of seventeen races, five poles, and five fastest race laps.
In 1988, there were five wins, at Mid Ohio, Road America, Sears Point, Watkins Glen, and Del Mar. Chris Cord broke both ankles in testing that year
and Willie T Ribbs was given a 2 race suspension for assaulting another driver

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An interview with Dan Gurney -
Winning the IMSA championship was the best, Dan relates, "Oh, no doubt about it-winning the national championship was great. And the next year we won more races than any single team did.
But Ford (Lincoln/Mercury) had four teams, so we ended up losing the championship. We finished third. Willy came in third in the driver's championship.
"We were the favorites, both of those years." By that time, the Ford people were using the Merkur XR4ti, using many of the tricks AAR had learned and used on the GTO Celica.

Over Dan's career, so many things were accomplished: Winning Le Mans, winning a Formula One Grand Prix race in a car that was built at AAR
— where does the Toyota GTO program sit in that hierarchy of things? Dan explains it was still very meaningful. "We were representing a manufacturer against other manufacturers.
That was very special. We knew, we could tell what was going on here and there, and it was a challenge from a lot of different angles, not just the car."

Dan remembers AAR had a lot of help: "We brought along some excellent driving talent — Chris Cord was really amazing. Willy did some great driving, and Rocky also.
So we did a lot with a lot of good up-and-coming drivers. It was a really special time. I look back on those times with a real affection.

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I think the odds were against us, but when you prevail in those circumstances, it means more to you. It had a great homebrew feel to it — it was fun!
The GTP program wasn’t as much fun, and GTO was more fun than the present CART program."

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In retrospect, doing the whole car from soup to nuts was especially satisfying to Dan. "When you look at what we achieved, a national championship,
and then another excellent year on top of that, with the size of the engine force here under this roof! So when we went to the GTP program and Toyota said they
wouldn’t need our services in the engine area after that, we were kind of offended. But when I thought about how big the program would have to be,
why we couldn’t have done that. I felt Toyota had made the right call at that point. It doesn’t change the fact we’re still very proud of what we did."

It was of the accomplishment, vs. the resources available to meet that goal that Dan says "On several occasions, they (Toyota) asked us, "Do you thank that you can win with this engine?"
Because they were off doing other programs. ‘We’ve only got 15 of these things left.’ And you never really know until you try. No one in the industry thought an iron block,
four-cylinder with a turbocharger would be the engine of choice by any means. We blew up four dynamometers!" As stated before, the one of the GTO Toyota Celicas
still occupies a place of honor at AAR, as a reminder of glorious days past.

1989 was the end of the line for the AAR Celicas; that year Toyota moved to GTP class with an Eagle chassis designed by AAR people, but with a 503E engine entirely developed by TRD.

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The GTP Toyota Eagle became legendary for its looks, speed, reliability and winning streaks:
17 consecutive victories during 1992 and 1993, and wins in the endurance classics at Daytona and Sebring. At the twilight of the very expensive GTP class,
in 1992 and 1993 AAR took manufacturers and drivers championships so convincingly that in 1995 they still held track records on nine circuits.

Dan remains proud of the GTO Celica program, in spite of the greater accomplishment of AAR teamed with TRD. "We were going for it, and accomplished a lot.
You think about it, that was a long time ago, ’83. The Supra was a brand-new car then — been through several generations, and now it’s gone. Celica’s still around,
but Lexus wasn’t even being imagined. The USSR was going full blast! Those were interesting times."

In the interim, the economic downturn of the early ‘90’s spelled doom for IMSA’s highest class, the Grand Touring Prototypes, or GTP’s.
After winning the ’93 championship, Toyota and AAR left the IMSA series completely to regroup and pursue the CART series. Since then, IMSA has had its ups and downs,
but seems to be making a comeback. Dan would like for AAR to return to Professional Sports Car Racing (PSCR, IMSA’s new name) in one form or the other.
"I’d like to do it, and I could see it happening," he states. Toyota is busy with racing programs in every series but Sports Car it seems.
"For the time being, we’ll continue with the contingency programs we have with privateers in the street-stock series," says Dave Wilson of TRD.
"We’d really love to see a factory supported, AAR-prepared Toyota or Lexus sports car duking it out in sports car racing here in the U.S., apart from the fearsome
Toyota GT-One prototype that runs only at Le Mans in June". In the meantime, somewhere in the AAR complex, a really angry-looking Celica sits quietly in a warehouse
— a reminder of the days when AAR Toyotas laughed at the competition in IMSA.

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The cars were fitted with lights and used at the Daytona 24hrs as well, (dammed if I can find the pic)
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the transmission used in the GTO was a porsche trans. nascar style wilwood brakes. i don't think they boosted the motor to 60 psi but around 40 or so.

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F1 engines at that time were running 120psi+ and the rules had to be re-written to restrict
them to 4bar (59psi) in race trim, so I was being conservative as the C/R looks similar

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the power numbers suggest the use of a restrictor plate (insane torque).
you sure about the compression? and i was under the assumption that they used toda valvetrain and cams as well.

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interestingly, after crunching some numbers and making some general assumptions i get 40psi.
known = 560hp
assumed = base NA power of 150hp (aweful high considering compression, but then i assume toyota can get a damn good VE)

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Unconfirmed - as quoted on Wikipedia

503E - 87C, 88C Le Mans is quoted at 680hp with CT26R turbo
503E - Supra GT JZA80 is quoted 680hp with Garrett turbo & 55,9mm restrictor

Here's the JGTC motor
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The JGTC car derived from the IMSA GTO, 503E power
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The 503E equipped Le Mans car
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So, yes I agree on the restrictor
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We blew up four dynamometers!
Tends to suggest they didn't realize just how much
power they were dealing with

Anyone live near American racers? Would love to see drivetrain pics and figures

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interesting that it wasn't even a 3s. a 1983 4tgt 2 valve motor. i know i read that somewhere before.

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turns out the car is currently residing somewhere in torrance, ca in a toyota garage and is on its way headed to the rolex monterey motorsports reunion next weekend to honor dan gurney.

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Amazing photos Stig, this is a Celica wet dream, lol :hehe

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